Newbie 1667: Bushfire! (Game Over)

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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:23 pm

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Votecount 2.06

Jake from State Farm (2) goodmorning; Performer;
Performer (2) ai_shuuu; shrike;
AzoriusSenate (2) This is my username; Radical Rat;
Radical Rat (1) AzoriusSenate;
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Not voting: Jake from State Farm;

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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:26 pm

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Well it's bad cause I'm not scum
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:31 pm

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Azor, I have already rescinded that bit. I was severely mistaken, and after that was pointed out, I took it back.

I can understand why you'd still have something to say about that, especially with my continued re-misviewing stuff, but you chose not to even acknowledge that the exchange between Shrike and I happened. Why?
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:44 pm

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Hey guys, I'm happy to tell you that I am not sure whether Azorius's tunneling against RR is the Mafia or RR's tunneling against Azorius is the Mafia. Both sides have had strange reactions towards various arguments. Azorius is
still
trying to justify his case based on decorating a post while RR has slightly more suspicious reactions to the thinks Azorius says. I am having trouble figuring out which one of them is the real Mafia right now so I'll go re-reread their ISOs and talk about Jake.

His Post 426, while strange, is justified by the presumed fact that he just subbed in and probably hasn't read the game yet, so I can ignore it for now.

Finally, although rolespeccing is bad or something, it is confirmed that we are either using setup 1 or setup C with the lack of a Night kill and what goodmorning has stated! That's nice~

The actual finally since I left something out, Azorius about the post earlier I really just made it so I wasn't prodded by the host. I didn't have very much new stuff to say, really. So I apologize that my thoughts in it were not thought out well.
UNVOTE: AzoriusSenate
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:09 pm

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Oh, would you look at that! Azorius looks like a person in a SerenesForest Mafia game I played named Dreamer, who was new and rather than agreeing to existing cases made up her own. Except hers could be considered justified. She was Town, by the way. I'm rambling. Basically, looking back through his ISO it doesn't make sense for Azorius to continue tunneling into RR's posts as scum because, although scum do love to reach for cases, Azorius's is just completely ridiculous and impossible to believe. Why would scum draw attention to themselves with a terrible case? And his reaction to RR's sort-of-OMGUS-but-somewhat-justified-thanks-to-your-atrocious-case seems sincere enough to me. Finally, his case has turned average because of RR's overly defensive speech and reactions to your argument, so tunneling RR is pretty okay to me.

Meanwhile at RR, I still agree that Azorius's initial argument is
BAD
. But, your reactions to his reaction to your initial reaction make me pretty suspicious of you. Sure nobody likes a mis-lynch, but Town wouldn't actively defend themselves as much as you did. I think they'd definitely call out Azorius, but not in a defensive manner that scum would have to a case against them. Also, you suggesting that Azorius vs. RR could be a Town vs. Town setup just made me think of something. You are setting yourself up for an excuse if AzoriusSenate is lynched and revealed to be Town. I've seen this excuse occur before in a game I'm currently playing with my friends through E-Mail so I know scum have done it before.

I haven't yet read any of the other ISOs but that's my thoughts on the ones I desired to look through the most. I'll visit Performer and vettrock next, then shrike and ai_shuuu.
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:18 pm

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Almost halfway through Performer's ISO but one of his posts reminded me of something. RR was the first person to accuse Phantom of being Mafia which was then followed by him backing off and viewing him as more Town until he jumped back in to the bandwagon he started once it picked up. It feels like RR wanted to get a mislynch started but didn't want to be credited for it. I don't know though, I viewed Phantom as Town as well until his later Day One posts...
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:31 pm

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I read through Performer's ISO and he seems pretty Town-like to me. I like his posts, they seem sincere and helpful to me. So yeah, I'm Town-reading him. It's always so difficult to comment interesting things on Town-reads, in my opinion.

Also, I noticed Performer questioned whether I was an alt account, to which I respond, "Are you implying that you have a hard time believing someone as amazing at Mafia as I am shouldn't be having their first game at my skill level? I think that's what you're implying!" XD

I'd read through vettrock's ISO right now but I'm getting bored, I'll probably be back in an hour
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:18 pm

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In post 428, This is my username wrote:Finally, although rolespeccing is bad or something, it is confirmed that we are either using setup 1 or setup C with the lack of a Night kill and what goodmorning has stated! That's nice~

Why do you discount A?
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:24 pm

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@azorius #
"My FoS on Rat stems from the reaction to my post about it. Rat has grossly overreacted in my opinion."
Which post? This? #
Humm... I see your point...

"So if I'm scum day one I think I would make it a priority NOT to be the hammering vote on any townies. I think I would have voted and stuck on someone a lot earlier than I did."
Thats not what i'm asking you >.<
What i mean is, phan is digging his own grave in day 1. You had the same initial suspicion with me that his wagon are way too fast. It's an easy lynch from scum POV.
In that kind of situation i want you to imagine that you're scum, what would you do?
yell around "phan is scum, lynch him" or keep your hand clean of this?
and once again, thats not how i read meta.
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:31 pm

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TIMU, that is a blatant lie.

Yes, I looked at other people so I could get more than one read, but I never stopped reading PC as scum. Ever.
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:50 pm

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btw what is reach of case means?
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:59 pm

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In post 434, Radical Rat wrote:TIMU, that is a blatant lie.

Yes, I looked at other people so I could get more than one read, but I never stopped reading PC as scum. Ever.

Hmm
near the beginning of Day One after your original case against him you backed off when he explained his reasoning for self-voting.
ai_shuuu wrote:btw what is reach of case means?

It's a stretch to make the case, basically
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In post 428, This is my username wrote:Finally, although rolespeccing is bad or something, it is confirmed that we are either using setup 1 or setup C with the lack of a Night kill and what goodmorning has stated! That's nice~

Why do you discount A?

I forgot it, probably
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:01 pm

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Went back and checked, when I said C I meant A
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:09 pm

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I backed off of THAT SPECIFIC POINT.
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:10 pm

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@GM can you point me where did performer show a valid read on vetrock?
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:44 pm

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In post 438, Radical Rat wrote:I backed off of THAT SPECIFIC POINT.

There were not any other points against him at that time, if I remember correctly.
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:54 pm

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You remember incorrectly. There was also the buddying issue.
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:06 pm

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Oh, I remember that. Still, my and Azorius's (about the reactions, anyway) still stand.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:09 pm

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In post 426, Jake from State Farm wrote:Well it's bad cause I'm not scum

You're going to have to start scumhunting then.
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:15 pm

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In post 443, shrike wrote:
In post 426, Jake from State Farm wrote:Well it's bad cause I'm not scum

You're going to have to start scumhunting then.

really? Thanks captain obvious. I did say I have to catchup first.
Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.

Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:58 pm

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In post 444, Jake from State Farm wrote:I did say I have to catchup first.

I understand that. That's why I think you should've read through the game first and form some opinions before responding to gm's low effort jabs.
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:22 am

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Again I said I'm going to keep reading current stuff as to not fall further behind. So I'll keep responding to stuff as best I can while I find the time to read these 18 pages. Hopefully today at work I can at least get through day 1
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:48 am

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In post 441, Radical Rat wrote:You remember incorrectly. There was also the buddying issue.

There was no buddying though. I'm got to page 3 yesterday and remember this and that wasn't buddying.
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:55 am

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This is what I had after 3 pages. Will do more later
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Data dump - catchup post. Putting in spoilers just to make it easier.

@Ai shue - what was the point in mentioning gm's previous game if you were not using it to meta him? Why did you read that game to begin with?

Agree with Rat, people have to be careful not to town read the IC just for being helpful since their job regardless of alignment is to be helpful

Well I have since lost faith in Rat for this post - The idea of votes is to see how people react, voting one self is a perfect way to gauge reactions.

In post 28, Radical Rat wrote:The wiki says that people trying to get the IC out of the way too early may be scummy, as MortFeld had said.
Do yourself a favor, ignore the wiki for game play advice.

In post 29, PhantomCobalt wrote:I really like this post. Seems like very geniune scumhunting with a very clear and well laid out motive.

Radical Rat is a VERY STRONG TOWN READ.

:facepalm:

I kind of like the points GM is making here

Had questions of PC but see he is dead so nevermind

post 56 is a bad post.
fos mort
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:20 am

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@Jake
Mort's slot is currently held by This is my username

@Shrike
I'm like... 99% sure 426 was meant as a joke with GM, since they seem to know eachother. Don't take it seriously.

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I have to say, I really like how Jake here isn't using catching up as an excuse to lurk, and is still posting thoughts and ideas. Seeing as how Vettrock's only major error was his silence, I have good feelings about this slot.

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