Blitz 14: Murder on Madness Mountain GAME OVER!

[Soren]

No.

[davesaz]

Pretty m much my thoughts, but I'm also trying to keep in mind that people in blitz get this irrational GO GO GO mentality.

I say we GO GO GO on Soren!

VOTE: Soren

Some people express Soren concerns and immediately you're trying to start a counter-wagon there to save yourself? There's no way you aren't scum.

Some people express Soren concerns and immediately you're trying to start a counter-wagon there to save yourself? There's no way you aren't scum.

lol, in your dreams.

Vote, reaction, reaction to reaction.

Firebringer, why would you be more interested in Rob's reaction than Soren's, to your vote on Soren? What did you think about both of their reactions?

[davesaz]

We have two days and we're on page 3. Everyone but me, Fire, CN, and Ricastle have 5 posts or less. Can we step it up?

Mere numbers are insufficient to measure activity, though I do agree with the sentiment that the game needs to move faster.

[davesaz]

Re: 71 through 75.

Not sure what Soren is actually saying in 71. It's the type of observation where we can infer he means something by it, but not what.
CN's 72 is an interesting jump, how do we infer that? Soren suggests an alternative.
Then in 74, CN tries a different jump, which Soren rejects.

71 could be a prompt, if Fire and Soren were both scum and they didn't have daytalk.
The exchange between Soren and CN could be one scum and one town, don't know which is which.
CN chose to remark on the immediate, could be trying to fish out what Soren is using to read Fire.
Or it could just be a useless exchange because neither one of them actually added analysis to the game.

Ugh, this whole thing got me nowhere, but I'll post it anyway in case it helps someone else.

Actually on preview reflection, this makes me want to see what happened between CN and Soren's last posts and this exchange, to see if either one conveniently skipped something important. Unlikely with the slow pace, but possible.

[davesaz]

On further review, I don't see either one of them doing anything but replying in the moment, other than 71.
Could be I looked too fast, but their posts are pretty devoid of content.

Scum theater perhaps? With the objective of getting the Fire wagon started back up?

I really need about 5 people to town it up here so the scum become more obvious. The pace is glacial.

[Ricastle]

That exchange does, on a second look, appear to be CN putting words into Fire's mouth to defend him, and trying to make out what Soren's argument is so he can defend against that. This isn't the first time CN has defended Fire either. Fire/CN as a potential team?

[Ranger]

That statement strikes me as odd; care to explain?

It means exactly that: given your posting so far, I want you to be town. You're posting in a very logical way and appear to be giving off more thoughts than any other player. But while that's good posting, nothing you've done has been undeniably

town

posting, if your scumgame is at all reasonably skilled. Make sense?

I'm picking up some minor town vibes from Soren, so right now, my reads look like this:
{absinthe}
{davesaz}
{Soren} (not quite as town as davesaz)
{everyone else}

...That said, if I can get one more townread of reasonable strength, POE should do the rest. (Another reason I'm wanting Rob to be town, I suppose: if Rob's town, then problem solved; we probably lynch Firebringer, Ricastle, and Chaotic Neutrality in that order most likely. But I'm not comfortable with calling that out yet.)

[Firebringer]

That exchange does, on a second look, appear to be CN putting words into Fire's mouth to defend him, and trying to make out what Soren's argument is so he can defend against that. This isn't the first time CN has defended Fire either. Fire/CN as a potential team?

This is just so bad.

Do you honestly think you are good enough to figure out the scum teams within first 3 pages?

You probably got neither of the scum right, I know you are wrong about me.

[Ranger]

Huh. Forgot Jackall. Whoops.
That makes my job even harder. :/

[Firebringer]

Huh. Forgot Jackall. Whoops.
That makes my job even harder. :/

I am getting not town vibes from you Ranger.

CARE TO EXPLAIN!?!?!?

[Ranger]

Rereading the thread, and I think that a Firebringer lynch would probably be best.
If Firebringer is scum, great! We have a scum down, and also information to work from on finding a partner.
If Firebringer isn't scum, then we still gain a fair amount of info: who was pushing Firebringer, and why. (Not to mention, who defended Firebringer, and how.) It doesn't give quite as definitive information, but it's still useful to have.

Right now, my reads look something like:
{absinthe}
{davesaz}
{Soren}
{Rob13}
{Chaotic Neutrality, Ricastle, Jackall}
{Firebringer}
...But this is very weak.

All the same, I don't have any better ideas, so:
VOTE: Firebringer.
Might be L-1, not sure.

[Ranger]

I am getting not town vibes from you Ranger.

CARE TO EXPLAIN!?!?!?

Oh?

Also ranger is town.

Care to explain this comment, then?

[Firebringer]

Care to explain this comment, then?

Initial impression.

Lately your posts have been giving me a weird feeling.

[Firebringer]

Rereading the thread, and I think that a Firebringer lynch would probably be best.
If Firebringer is scum, great! We have a scum down, and also information to work from on finding a partner.
If Firebringer isn't scum, then we still gain a fair amount of info: who was pushing Firebringer, and why. (Not to mention, who defended Firebringer, and how.) It doesn't give quite as definitive information, but it's still useful to have.

Right now, my reads look something like:
{absinthe}
{davesaz}
{Soren}
{Rob13}
{Chaotic Neutrality, Ricastle, Jackall}
{Firebringer}
...But this is very weak.

All the same, I don't have any better ideas, so:
VOTE: Firebringer.
Might be L-1, not sure.

lol I am at L-1?

This must be what Ythan feels like all the time.

I don't know what you guys can learn from a quick lynch other than town is stupid, but sure. Lets go with that this is a 'information' lynch lol.

[Ricastle]

Going to defend yourself from Soren, Fire? Or have you left that job to CN?

Ranger, how come I'm so low on your list? That hurts, pal, especially with how much I admire what you do, to the point where I aspire to one day be like you...

[Firebringer]

Going to defend yourself from Soren, Fire?

Defend from what?
Theres 0 case on me.

I don't defend against stupid.

[Ricastle]

The case on you is that you are flailing in the place of providing content. Feel free to debunk said case anytime.

[Ranger]

Ranger, how come I'm so low on your list?

Because I'm not convinced you're town, particularly if Firebringer were to flip town. If Firebringer flips scum, then I'd look to see if I thought your interactions were that of scumbuddies, but until then, you're not sending strong signals which say town.

That hurts, pal, especially with how much I admire what you do, to the point where I aspire to one day be like you...

...Especially given flattery like this. We don't have any completed games together, why are you saying this to me?


Also,

Mod: I will be V/LA from the 23rd through the 30th.

Particularly the 23rd and the 30th, when I travel.
Reasons should be obvious enough. I'll be able to post once a day (possible exception the two days above), but that'll be it.

[Firebringer]

The case on you is that you are flailing in the place of providing content. Feel free to debunk said case anytime.

Odd question is it considered flailing if its a town player doing it? Or just considered bad play?

You know how everyone considers "White Knighting" a scum thing, even though if you are town reading a player town can and should defend them? So they are doing the same 'scummy' thing.

[davesaz]

Perhaps you could give some reads?

[Firebringer]

Perhaps you could give some reads?

Funny, I don't think reading all your posts you give any reads.

[Ricastle]

...Especially given flattery like this. We don't have any completed games together, why are you saying this to me?

Once you understand the reason, you'll know I'm town.

Odd question is it considered flailing if its a town player doing it? Or just considered bad play?

You know how everyone considers "White Knighting" a scum thing, even though if you are town reading a player town can and should defend them? So they are doing the same 'scummy' thing.

That wasn't my point. I said you were flailing

in the place of

providing content, which is an entirely different thing.

[Rob14]

Fire, explain to me then why you're voting Soren. I'm open to a conversation, but on its face, your vote looks very bad.

Just to see how you would react.

No but honestly I do agree with what you said earlier, his pressuring to get me lynched is pretty scummy man.

>Says to see how you would react
>Makes no comment about your reaction

That read as an obvious joke to me? He followed it up by "No, but honestly....", which generally indicates a joke.

[Rob14]

That statement strikes me as odd; care to explain?

It means exactly that: given your posting so far, I want you to be town. You're posting in a very logical way and appear to be giving off more thoughts than any other player. But while that's good posting, nothing you've done has been undeniably

town

posting, if your scumgame is at all reasonably skilled. Make sense?

Yeah. To clarify my question, I was trying to get at whether this was game-related or the fact that you've been in some of the games I modded and don't want to go against me or something.

[Rob14]

Because I'm not convinced you're town, particularly if Firebringer were to flip town.

This sounds like lining up lynches, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth regarding this wagon. At the very least, I'm not ready for this day to end.

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