Blitz 14: Murder on Madness Mountain GAME OVER!

[Rob14]

Fire seems conventionally scum, but I'm leaving the option open that Fire is just a VI. I'm not 100% sure if scum or VI at the moment. Ranger saying if Fire is town, then X is town leaves a bad taste because it seems like he's planting the seeds to jump from townie to townie as scum. If Ranger is scum, then we know Fire and Ricastle are town.

If we're going the way of an information lynch, Ranger is better than Fire. Fire gives next to no information.

[Firebringer]

Fire is just a VI.

I like being called scum more than VI.

Thank you very much.

[Firebringer]

If we're going the way of an information lynch, Ranger is better than Fire. Fire gives next to no information.

Can you point out what we learn from lynching Ranger right now?

I can't see any clear associations so finding a scum partner from there is useless. I guess it sort of clears me and ricastle, but Ranger could be bussing either one of us.

[Rob14]

You don't line up lynches when you are bussing. It's not a thing that happens.

[Rob14]

Like, lining up from scum --> town would be bussing, but if you say "If X is town, then Y is scum" then push for a lynch of X, who you know is town. It's clear what's going on there.

[Ythan]

Vote Count

Firebringer: Soren, davesaz, Ranger (3)
Ricastle: Jackal711, Chaotic Neutrality (2)
Chaotic Neutrality: absinthe (1)
Soren: Firebringer (1)
Rob13: Ricastle (1)

Not voting: Rob13

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-12-20 04:24:00).

[Rob14]

Fire is just a VI.

I like being called scum more than VI.

Thank you very much.

From what I've seen in other games, you do play town oddly. A spade is a spade.

[davesaz]

To be fair to Fire, there are several kinds of "playing town oddly". I have a list of people who seem scummier as town, one for those who are chaotic and hard to get a read on at all, one for those whose reads are usually wrong, etc. It's plausible he doesn't like the connotation of "VI" while still understanding that he might fit in an "odd" category.

[davesaz]

Perhaps you could give some reads?

Funny, I don't think reading all your posts you give any reads.

You might be correct on this point, I may not have explicitly.
But it doesn't change the point that it would help us to have some of your reads.

[Jackal711]

Hmm why is my vote still on rvs vote?
UNVOTE:

Wow it's been too long since I played.. having trouble getting reads on people.

Still think Fire's most likely to be scum but willing to entertain other options. We have just over a day until deadline.

@Mod: Not sure if the game will last that long but FYI I will be out of town with limited or no access New year's weekend (Dec 31st thru Jan 3rd)

[absinthe]

That statement strikes me as odd; care to explain?

It means exactly that: given your posting so far, I want you to be town. You're posting in a very logical way and appear to be giving off more thoughts than any other player. But while that's good posting, nothing you've done has been undeniably

town

posting, if your scumgame is at all reasonably skilled. Make sense?

I'm picking up some minor town vibes from Soren, so right now, my reads look like this:
{absinthe}
{davesaz}
{Soren} (not quite as town as davesaz)
{everyone else}

...That said, if I can get one more townread of reasonable strength, POE should do the rest. (Another reason I'm wanting Rob to be town, I suppose: if Rob's town, then problem solved; we probably lynch Firebringer, Ricastle, and Chaotic Neutrality in that order most likely. But I'm not comfortable with calling that out yet.)

Do you typically sort people out so quickly?

[absinthe]

(Prod acknowledged, been having issues today. Tried to post earlier and got an error)

Fire comes off as scummy to me.. though I don't like the fact that Soren's posts have been nothing but an attempt to push the Fire wagon.

At least one of those 2 is scum...

At least?

You see their behavior as possibly team interactions?

Looks like you missed this question, Jackal771.

[Ranger]

Once you understand the reason, you'll know I'm town.

I think I do, actually.
Ricastle is town.

{Ricastle}
{absinthe}
{davesaz}
{Soren}
{Rob13}
{Chaotic Neutrality, Jackall}
{Firebringer}
absinthe may be equal to Ricastle, but Ricastle's town.

[Ranger]

Do you typically sort people out so quickly?

Yeah, which is why I was disappointed by my weak start.

Still not as strong as I would like to be, but it'll do.

[Rob14]

VOTE: Ranger

I've re-read a bit, and that lining up lynches thing really strikes me as unlikely to come from town. This lynch gives us a lot of information if Ranger flips scum, with both Fire and Ricastle becoming almost conf-town.

Re-reading Fire brings me closer to believing he's playing to his derpy meta than actually scum, although what scum!Fire would look like is something I don't really have an answer to. Does anyone have more complete meta info on Fire?

[Ranger]

've re-read a bit, and that lining up lynches thing really strikes me as unlikely to come from town.

Good, because I wasn't lining up lynches.

This lynch gives us a lot of information if Ranger flips scum, with both Fire and Ricastle becoming almost conf-town.

And it gives you...

what

, exactly, when I flip town?

[Rob14]

Someone flipping town never gives much information because town doesn't know anything other townies don't know already (other than their own role I suppose). I don't see much of an alternative. If I'm reading Fires meta correctly, that's not a good lynch. You're the only other person who's done something scummy imo. Maybe there would be better lynch possibilities if we had better participation, but this is the best I've got right now. My request for more activity has gone unheeded.

[Ricastle]

Rob, I find it odd that with how much you like to reply to anything concerning you, you have taken no notice whatsoever of my vote on you. Also we are not lynching Ranger today.

I have only ever played with scum Fire, that being twice, with one of those being a hydra where he barely said anything comparative to the other head. This is the other game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=63181 (although keep in mind, he replaced in late here)

Jackal, Fire, CN, you. I don't intend to vote or lynch outside of that box today

[Ranger]

My request for more activity has gone unheeded.

Yeah, because you're trying to lynch one of the people who

actually responded

.

I'm going to be plenty active until my V/LA kicks in. I have some last-minute holiday shopping I need to get done, but otherwise, I'm free until the 23rd. I'm here, talking.
And you're lynching me.

[Rob14]

Re: Ricastle. I reply to things concerning me when a question is asked or someone ascribes a motive to my actions that is not correct. In those cases, I set the record straight. I do this routinely in all my games. You've not said anything about your vote on me, so I have nothing to correct. Everyone is entitled to their reads. If you care to explain yours on me, I'd be happy to respond, but that is not and will never be a priority of mine.

Re: Ranger. That's a fair point. What is the alternative you propose? Lynch blindly in the lurkers? Unfortunately, lynching someone who is actively evem somewhat scummy yields more information than lynching a lurker. It's not fair, and it's one of the weaknesses of the forum version of Mafia imo, but it is what it is. If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.

[Rob14]

UNVOTE:

At the very least, I'm willing to have the discussion.

[Ricastle]

Fair. I think really that everyone should have their metaphorical vote on you simply because you act not in a way that seems natural, but a way that is likeable and agreeable, yet is also at the same level of play which can be well faked. Resultantly I do not feel safe putting you above null at best.

I think Jackal warrants looking at beyond lurking because he's been pushing the Fire wagon without ever being on it. CN has also only disappeared since he got called out last page.

[Chaotic Neutrality]

Holiday stuff, unexpected deadlines, etc. I've been a little negligent across the board and meatworld.

I wouldn't say I was called out. More like accused of being buddys, which at this stage of the game with no flips, is a ridiculous argument that doesn't merit response. Sarcasm doesn't come across naturally on the internet, but I'll often point out buddying and announce I've found the scumteam for shits and grins because I'm making fun of people who do that seriously, like you.

Fire is very clearly town this game. I've never played with Rob but going based on reactions etc. I don't think he's town. I'm reading you, Ricastle, as newbtown more than scum at the moment. I've been scumpartners with Ranger and this isn't her scumgame. I will always read Soren as scum, someone else is going to have to tell me what kind of game he's playing. I don't like Dave's play this far.

Those are my reads as of late.

VOTE: Rob13

[Soren]

Fire is not clearly town.

[Ricastle]

Is it not equally foolish to ignore when somebody is making excuses for another player for no apparent reason? Fire doesn't need to be assumed scum for you to answer that. Besides, my vote is currently on Rob because I do not firmly believe that I have found so much as one scum so far. I'm merely suggesting possibilities.