Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[Ranger]

Do people want me to explain why texcat is a vampire, beyond the one quote I provided?
'Cause it's pretty obvious texcat is a vampire.

[Ranger]

Errant is town. Ranger is town.
Texcat could be scum.
VOTE: Flubber

texcat is not an ABR scumbuddy. Neither is Flubber. Errant is a candidate.

I've seen him make exactly one post today. He needs to come out and play.

This is 770. Dominator is a possible ABR scumbuddy as a result.
772, 775, and 779 show why I am not an ABR scumbuddy.

This is about all the useful information there is from his slot. He bantered with Always Innocent, but not in a way that strongly reveals alignment.

Switching to Wanderer, you get:

Then I wonder what the various reasons you had for voting me were.

Firebringer is unlikely to be a vampire as a result. 339 and 395 makes Always Innocent not scum with Wanderer, too.

Looking at the tone behind it, I'm actually thinking that Dominator is not a vampire because of 565; it reads as scum a bit miffed a mislynch of theirs was shut down.

So this is the information that can be gleamed from the dead scum. I'd like to note both were fairly reserved at giving out reads, which makes sense for multiball: you don't want to draw attention to yourself, so it makes sense for a scum player to give as little information away as possible.

[Ranger]

So, Squirrelly is my strongest townread for obvious reasons. Beyond the PR claim, they have constantly been scumhunting, and have scumhunted both factions if memory serves me. They've given many reads and many reasons, which easily could have drawn a lot of attention to themselves.

Behind them are Always Innocent, who has one of the longer isos in the game. He's been scumhunting plenty, and is definitely not a vampire. His play is largely focused on certain players at a time, meaning there isn't exactly one spot you can look at and go, "so that's what his thoughts on the players are", but he's not leaving himself with suspiciously few interactions. He is also very doubtfully a werewolf, given his relatively-early callout of ABR being scum. (This is not quite as absolute as his Wanderer callout, but it's close enough.)

Firebringer is definitely not a vampire (see 295, and also: while Fire defends Wanderer in 737, the defense is done in such a manner that I don't think it's a scumbuddy since that'd be too obvious), and I doubt Firebringer's a werewolf. This is mainly a gut thing, but I don't think Firebringer takes the stances Fire has if scum.

624 makes Flubber slightly less likely to be a vampire, and combined with ABR's iso makes Flubber overall look like town, but this is weak. His play looks decently town enough, so given these interactions, I don't think he should be touched.

I'm reading Dominator's iso right now, and I actually see it as being fairly town. Dominator is, undeniably, a lurker. Furthermore, Dominator has given virtually zero content. However, if you read between the lines, what content Dominator

has

given does vaguely look town. (It takes a minimalist to read a minimalist?) He had reads which matched mine: wrong, but existing scumreads on PC and Bebop, as well as a scumread on Errant. 520, the oft-talked-about post, is a line that comes from scum more often than town, but Dominator's explanation in 524 looks really town, especially given the callout of the scum being mafia. (When...they're actually werewolves and vampires.) While the presence on the Wanderer wagon doesn't add much, I think that 784/785 are posts an unafraid town player would make. (Similarly, 718 looks town for the same reason.)

hi im Yakko is someone that I'm

considering

for being scum. There's nothing in that iso off of the flips we have so far to suggest Yakko isn't scum...merely my speculation on texcat. However, while I admit it's possible for Yakko to be scum, right now I don't think it quite as likely as other options. I want to take a more detailed look at Yakko's iso to get better thoughts there.

Then we get into my more serious scumreads: texcat and Errantparabola. Let's do Errant first:
Errant is, very much, a player staying in the background, and trying to take a "back seat" to wagons. Errant's not a Wanderer scumbuddy, for posts like 266, but is my main candidate right now for being a Werewolf.

texcat's my primary candidate for being a vampire. 270 is texcat defending Wanderer-nl. 271 as well. 284 agrees Wanderer is weak, but texcat does nothing, with her vote still on Errant. Furthermore, come D2, and you get things like 719 and 752/753 where texcat is trying to wagon every player

except

for Wanderer-nl.

Furthermore, texcat fits the profile of lurking scum not drawing attention to themselves: texcat has given virtually zero content this game, and what little is there has been largely focused on specific players, just like ABR and Wanderer-nl.

[Squirrelly]

I have Flubber and firebringer as scum.

I'm going with who I see more likely scum here.

Vote: firebringer

[Errantparabola]

Considering interactions, Ranger is pretty clearly town.
Going to reread now.

[Errantparabola]

Always Innoce[url][url]nt, who people are claiming is conftown (don't know why, but I'll run with it), posted about the Titus read. You come in and buddy him. You then build on his already-existing Ranger doubt to cast shade, which is particularly egregious given our game history: you may not have explicitly painted my listing as a scum indicator, but you implicitly were, running contrary to the proof it's null.

Buddy a town player? Good scum strategy. Having that town player be the main pusher? Good scum strategy. Having the player being pushed on be town? Even better scum strategy. It's a trifecta of opportunism: you get to push town without consequences, because if anyone would take heat for the wrong read on me, it would be Always Innocent instead of yourself, when in truth you are by far the more guilty party.

You're completely wrong about me buddying the Titus read. I said pretty clearly that I wasn't sure on Titus being town, while AI said that Titus was conf town.
You're also completely wrong about the validity of my read on you. I, again, said pretty clearly that I was scumreading you for different reasons. These reasons are mainly attitude, tone, and approach to the game. Which, by the way, have changed at this point so I'm pretty sure that you're town because you're not acting like you were in Hardcore at all right now. Early game you were.
And even if I were scum, I would have no idea that you were town anyway.

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter. I'm not clogging up this game with a TvT.

[Errantparabola]

Wanderer too has strange interactions with Yakko and Dom.

That wanderer townread on yakko was so baseless that at this point I'm looking at yakko for vampire status right now.

I'm glazing over that AI vs Ranger because that's TvT too.

But goes along with the Ranger wagon.

This is entirely wrong. There was no wagon on ranger at the time I pushed her.

Okay considering Ranger and AI are town this game should be easily solvable. After this post I'll make a summary list of reads.

texcat's 719 is important. People were thinking dom was scummy at that point, but pretty much no votes were flying in that direction. For texcat to shine a spotlight on the possibility of a dom lynch means that they're not the same alignment.

I'm gonna go eat dinner right now. I'll be back.

[TheDominator37]

This game is weird :S

[Flubbernugget]

Prodge

[Errantparabola]

757 JESUS PISSKOP

This game should be POEable

Squirrelly is probably town.
Ranger is definitely town.
AI is probably town.

That leaves Dom, Texcat, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Firebringer, Yakko if I am remembering correctly.

Here are the parts of Ranger's arguments that I agree/disagree with.

I agree that texcat leaving wanderer untouched is vamp-indicative.
I am not sure about flubber not being an ABR buddy. It seems like a weak push. I'll have to see how much pressure flubber was under at the mo'
I disagree on dominator being a wolf. Although it's possible, I don't see how 770 reflects that.
I disagree on fire being confirmed not-vamp. But I do agree that it is more likely for fire to be town or wolf.

What are your thoughts on Yakko being a potential vampire, Ranger?
What are your thoughts on Yakko being a potential vampire, Texcat?

Let's say texcat is Vamp.
Yakko might be the other vamp.

I think it's more likely that flubber is not a wolf. But I'm not ruling it out entirely.

POE on Dom, Fire, ZZZX.

Note that ZZZX has slipped completely under Ranger's radar, although it is through no fault of Ranger's, considering the content that ZZZX has given. Going to say that ZZZX is a wildcard for scum right now (could fall either vamp or wolf)

Question mainly to Ranger but I'd like others to answer it too if they have any thoughts

Do you think, since we've lynched a vampire PR but a werewolf goon, that werewolves pose a bigger threat? Do you think that we should try our luck with lynching a werewolf over a vampire? Or should we stick with lynching the vampires because you have more solid reads on them

[Errantparabola]

Also here's why Ranger is town

1. Not voting ABR draws spotlight attention to her on interaction with ABR. I don't think a werewolf would risk that.
2. Pushing on vampires right now (I think that the texcat case is very believable) is not something a vampire would do.
3. Ranger's play right now is MUCH MORE SIMILAR to BPS.
4. Seems like actual scumhunting going on in her recent posts.

[Firebringer]

Wow so this day started really fast...

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Firebringer]

I can't believe how wrong I was on Wanderer, ABR was more null to me.

So yeah....Ranger and Errant feel town.

[Ranger]

I have Flubber and firebringer as scum. I'm going with who I see more likely scum here.

*facepalm*
Read my posts, please?

This game's multiball, you have scum interactions to go off of.

texcat is, clearly, 100% a vampire.
Errant's not nearly as clear a Werewolf, but is a probable suspect.

What are your thoughts on Yakko being a potential vampire, Ranger?

It's possible if the game's 3v3 (or texcat to not be a vampire), but that requires you to be scum. :P

Do you think, since we've lynched a vampire PR but a werewolf goon, that werewolves pose a bigger threat? Do you think that we should try our luck with lynching a werewolf over a vampire? Or should we stick with lynching the vampires because you have more solid reads on them

Lynch the player most likely to be scum. It doesn't matter which faction.

Since texcat is the player most likely to be scum, we should lynch texcat.

[Errantparabola]

VOTE: texcat
yes'm

[Errantparabola]

Vote may change depending on texcat's response to my question

[AlwaysInnocent]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Hello scum buddy of Albert B.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Considering interactions, Ranger is pretty clearly town.
Going to reread now.

No. I don't think Ranger is pretty clearly town. However, she will not give herself away so easily.

[AlwaysInnocent]

This game is weird :S

If you are not interested in the game, or do not have enough time, then please request a replacement. There is nothing wrong with not having enough time, but this is not very fair to other players.

Or, alternatively, you could show more activity.

[AlwaysInnocent]

The same goes for ZZZX.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Squirrelly is probably town.
Ranger is definitely town.
AI is probably town.

Why is Ranger more definitely town than the rest of us? I thought you said that I was super town?

Also here's why Ranger is town

1. Not voting ABR draws spotlight attention to her on interaction with ABR. I don't think a werewolf would risk that.
2. Pushing on vampires right now (I think that the texcat case is very believable) is not something a vampire would do.
3. Ranger's play right now is MUCH MORE SIMILAR to BPS.
4. Seems like actual scumhunting going on in her recent posts.

1. Ever heard of reverse psychology? It made no sense

not

to vote for ABR. If she was really making a statement with her vote on you, then why vote for texcat the next day?
2. Unless she knows that texcat is not a vampire.
4. Yeah, seems like it.

[Squirrelly]

Titus has flipped JK. Late yesterday Titus wanted to lynch

flubbernugget

. So, Titus probably jailed flubber. There are two known scum factions, but there was only one kill. Ergo, flubber is scum.

- pers

[TheDominator37]

Titus has flipped JK. Late yesterday Titus wanted to lynch

flubbernugget

. So, Titus probably jailed flubber. There are two known scum factions, but there was only one kill. Ergo, flubber is scum.

- pers

But then again there was only 1 scum again last night O_o

[AlwaysInnocent]

Titus has flipped JK. Late yesterday Titus wanted to lynch

flubbernugget

. So, Titus probably jailed flubber. There are two known scum factions, but there was only one kill. Ergo, flubber is scum.

- pers

But then again there was only 1 scum again last night O_o

What are your thoughts about that?

[texcat]

VOTE: Errant
This is the third day I've voted him.

And how did Ranger suddenly turn into conftown? Errant was voting for her and suddenly overnight she has turned into conftown. Am I missing something again? I was still thinking that Ranger and Errant are on opposing scum teams.

And it wouldn't surprise me to find another one of Wanderer's team on the tail endish of his wagon. Yakko and Dom.