NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Dave

I dig

[Keyser Söze]

Not really sure about scum.

I am so fing confused.

I guess I will vote cow.

VOTE: Cow

VOTE: Dave

I dig

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of TheCow, and now davesaz? My notes are missing the reasons/motivations for these votes.

[Fro99er]

TLDR: You're scum and you should feel bad.

This would have worked for me

Srsly tho, holy shit nice post.

[Keyser Söze]

davesaz (5) - Wickedestjr, Nosferatu, RadiantCowbells, Fro99er, JarJarDrinks

(expired on 2016-01-08 23:59:59)

16 players alive, 9 votes to lynch

vote: davesaz

VOTE: Dave

I dig

VOTE: davesaz

My vote makes it

L-1

.

[Fro99er]

@Keyser

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of davesaz

[Dwlee99]

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

[Dwlee99]

You probably wanted me to explain my cow vote as well, that vote is because he posts fluff and was the lowest on my reads. I wanted to place my vote somewhere.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry everyone, I've been in the middle of holiday/family stuff. I have a little time here, though, does somebody want to give me a quick summary of the dave-case?

Would still like to see cow die I think, but admittedly about about 8-9 pages behind at this point.

[JarJarDrinks]

100% what JarJar just said. L-1 and claim is fine in general, but should not be a hard and fast rule.

Like, that's something you learn in newbie school but the game does evolve beyond newbie school.

In fact, half the things I learned in newbie school don't even really apply.

Eh, I still think it’s a good rule.

The only reason for a person to claim is if we’re mass claiming or if they’re at risk of getting lynched

. But we’re not mass claiming. And if a person’s not at L-3/L-2/L-1, then they’re not actually at risk of getting lynched either.

FWIW If he can't answer that question, then I support seeing a role claim.

[Dwlee99]

Wicked is town, jarjar, ffs.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry everyone, I've been in the middle of holiday/family stuff. I have a little time here, though, does somebody want to give me a quick summary of the dave-case?

Would still like to see cow die I think, but admittedly about about 8-9 pages behind at this point.

EDIT: It's actually only like six pages, so I'll look through now I guess.

P-edit: Why is Wicked town?

[Dwlee99]

Fine I'll ISO dive.

[Fro99er]

100% what JarJar just said. L-1 and claim is fine in general, but should not be a hard and fast rule.

Like, that's something you learn in newbie school but the game does evolve beyond newbie school.

In fact, half the things I learned in newbie school don't even really apply.

Eh, I still think it’s a good rule.

The only reason for a person to claim is if we’re mass claiming or if they’re at risk of getting lynched

. But we’re not mass claiming. And if a person’s not at L-3/L-2/L-1, then they’re not actually at risk of getting lynched either.

FWIW If he can't answer that question, then I support seeing a role claim.

Or apparently this...

I am a Miller.

Vote: Keyser Soze

because he's really suspicious

[Aeronaut]

Neither of those things make him town.

[Dwlee99]

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

I

am

somewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...

Stop asking questions pls.

What should I do instead?

I like his questions early.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

[Fro99er]

Neither of what makes who town?

[Fro99er]

I wasn't saying wicked s town if that's what you were implying Aero.

Reading comprehension FTW

[Dwlee99]

The miller claim actually adds onto my town read of wicked, I forgot to quote it.

[Fro99er]

The miller claim actually adds onto my town read of wicked, I forgot to quote it.

Cool. I claim Miller

[Aeronaut]

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

I

am

somewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...

Stop asking questions pls.

What should I do instead?

I like his questions early.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

... Alright but dave hasn't flipped, so using that as a reason is kind of silly.

Neither of what makes who town?

Jester.

[Fro99er]

Spoiler= tags people. Use them

[Dwlee99]

K fro99er.

It's not the biggest reason I town read him but I am yet to see scum claim miller in their first post.

P-edit: Fine, whatever Aero.

[Fro99er]

Jester

Again.

Reread.

That wasn't me calling him town.

[Dwlee99]

And I can't open spoilers on my phone so I avoid using them, fro99er.

[Fro99er]

Neither of those things make him town.

Since I need to spell it out for you.

I was pointing out the irony in wicked saying don't claim early and wicked claiming early. It was funny. I never said that makes him town nor did I say that makes him scum.

I'm still not sure what to think of Wicked