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Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:10 pm

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You could stand to explain what your thoughts are instead of just ewwing things.

I'm not really seeing most of the Wicked/Daves connections?

899 is just them sharing a perspective, don't see anything particularly bad. In fact, 892->899 makes me see them as less likely to be scum partners.

Same for 814.

I'm staying on Zulfy here, the Daves->Zulfy connections are ridiculous.

Wicked never pushed Davesaz the rest of the day phase after this vote park.


I mean, I agree here.

But I'm really not seeing it.
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Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:14 pm

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I'm wondering about PK too right now.
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Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:15 pm

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Yeah fuck me.

I missed 882

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Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:17 pm

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882 was Nosferatu...?

Who is pretty fucking obvious town anyway.
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Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:19 pm

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Ok these similar avi's are going to kill me

VOTE: Wicked
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Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:19 pm

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And yes I agree nos is obvtown
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Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:20 pm

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Also, I have yet to see a single fucking point against FA, besides the associative tell which is weak and much better from her ISO.

Someone want to explain this case to me?

Ok these similar avi's are going to kill me

VOTE: Wicked


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Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:22 pm

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RC

1541, 1543, 1544, 1548
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Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:22 pm

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I just don't see him as scum here.

His frustration during the mid game when he called back to our previous game seemed really genuine and he had a good point about the tone read.

He wasn't the biggest pusher of Daves but he was on the wagon early and stayed on it, and I don't get the impression any of the early votes are busses, bar perhaps PK.

Why do you think that he's scum?
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Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:25 pm

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I think he was trying to diffuse things with you, which is what I'd probably do if I was scum and you were in the game.

He also diffused the me/Dwlee 1v1 as TvT.

It's possible I'm wrong, but I just done believe treestump crossed his mind as something DN could be when DN dropped the PR hint.
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Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:26 pm

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In post 1541, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1533, Wickedestjr wrote:My setup thoughts;
1. Almost certainly just one team - probably three members. Maybe an SK.
2. The neighborhood could certainly have more than one scum. No reason to discount that possibility. I've been in a game where a two-person neighborhood was occupied by two scum partners.

There's zero chance this is a three person scum team. How do you get that?

Even less of a chance the three person scum team has two in the neighborhood. But it reads like you want us to suspect groupscum is in the neighborhood.

DN is not scum with Davesaz, that's for sure. So you're saying Wake could be scum with Dave in a 3 person scum team?


1. Is probably an idiotic thing to say but I don't see why you think it's scummy?
2. I completely agree with, so idk what you're on.

In post 1543, Fro99er wrote:
In post 889, Wickedestjr wrote:My one idea was that he would say something along the lines of: "This case against me sucks and I know I'm going to convince you guys eventually". That answer wouldn't really make any sense in combination with his other self-deprecating comments, but you asked me to speculate so I did. FWIW tree stump also came to mind even though he explicitly said he wasn't implying anything with his comment.

Ew.

And I don't believe you really thought of treestump. I believe you are claiming you thought of treestump since that's what DN said earlier.

Like treestump never crossed my mind for a moment until DN said it because treestump is not normal and not even really used all that often as one of the non-normal roles in a normal game.


ok... but how is this scummy?

Funny thing.

Wicked never pushed Davesaz the rest of the day phase after this vote park. I think wicked bussed early and didn't want to hop off after momentum built on Dave, but also didn't want to encourage others to get on the Dave wagon (hence no real pushing on Dave after this)


This is true but doesn't mean he's scum.

Doesn't compensate for the strength of some of the early associatives.

Certainly doesn't give me cause to vote him over others, and I don't get the impression the vote was a bus at all.

JarJar had plenty of reason to suspect you.

Also, you might be the kind of player to WK someone...

That was such a long drawn out defense of DN on D1. Like you knew he wasn't groupscum aligned and you used the evidence to fit an already known read that he's not groupscum.

VOTE: Wicked


What does this even mean.

I think he was trying to diffuse things with you, which is what I'd probably do if I was scum and you were in the game.

He also diffused the me/Dwlee 1v1 as TvT.

It's possible I'm wrong, but I just done believe treestump crossed his mind as something DN could be when DN dropped the PR hint.


WHY IS THIS SCUMMY THOUGH.
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Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:27 pm

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He spent most of D1 justifying DN as town which strikes me as odd. Town had no reason to town defend DN there but instead to put pressure and he just casually town reads DN like he knew DN wasn't groupscum.
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Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:29 pm

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You/Dwlee probably WAS TvT though. What motivation does Scum!Wicked have for that, unless we see a Dwlee scum flip.

How do you differentiate Town!Wicked trying to differentiate from Scum!Wicked, particularly considering that we lost last game in a large part because communication between us broke down mid way through?

And so fucking what about the treestump? What does it mean?

He spent most of D1 justifying DN as town which strikes me as odd. Town had no reason to town defend DN there but instead to put pressure and he just casually town reads DN like he knew DN wasn't groupscum.


I agreed at the time.

But why wouldn't Jestr defend someone they thought was a town PR being forced to claim?
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Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:30 pm

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Fine.

Whatever.

Jesus fuck.

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Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:31 pm

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What do you make of Wicked and jar both taking the VI stance on Zulfy?

I think someone else did too.
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Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:31 pm

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In post 1526, DeathNote wrote:I want to vote Zul but my instincts are telling me this is just a choatic town. Honestly one of the few times I would say VI.

DN too
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Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:32 pm

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Why is everyone willing to dismiss Zulfy as VI?

I find myself not agreeing with my strong town reads today (RC on Wicked, Jar on Zulfy) and it's frustrating me.
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Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:34 pm

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Do you think you have something or not? I'm perfectly open to changing my read if someone presents me with some reasoning.

Start with WHY you think the treestump thing is scummy.

What do you make of Wicked and jar both taking the VI stance on Zulfy?

I think someone else did too.


The scummiest response so far is PK's noncommittal request for more information.

Although I could definitely see any of those people being scum if Zulfy is in fact scum.

If Zulfy flips scum I'll look into them.
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Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:35 pm

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In post 1464, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:FA


Wicked is town


yeah sure. you know? your the best scum hunter ever! how many games you solved by this stupid lynches before?
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Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:35 pm

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In post 1469, Zulfy wrote:I believe Frozen Angel is simply a bad scum player. I initially thought it was just communication troubles but she has not improved.


lol :lol: Seriously? not this game related : But Bad scum player is nothing near me ... lets play another game and I will show you how I'm being obv town will lastgame ...
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Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:39 pm

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In post 1464, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:FA


Wicked is town

In post 1478, Zulfy wrote:Some music to set the mood


Frozen Angel is scum


Frozen Angel has done very little (effective) scumhunting, excusing the scumvibes she's been giving off to her personality and emotional state. Bunch of bullshit.

The one coherent defense in her favor came from her good old buddy RC, aggregated in JJD's post:

In post 937, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 429, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 411, pisskop wrote:RC, tell me again how this was town frozen.


Yeah, so you've just proven by asking that question that you don't understand her meta at all.

Her AtEs as scum frozen are absolutely terrible and see through and basically ignorable and she avoids pressure by bogging everything down in lengthy arguments and focuses on defending herself hyper logically while spending more time throwing out accusations than doing any sort of analysis.

She's town here, 100%.
In post 431, RadiantCowbells wrote:FA can't ate this effectively as scum.

That's the end of the discussion, basically.
In post 434, RadiantCowbells wrote:Try reading the Netherspite mafia in Coney Island where she flipped out exactly like this when I pressured her.
In post 437, RadiantCowbells wrote:No, the one with Netherspite as the mod.

Textbook FA town.
In post 440, RadiantCowbells wrote:Well, that's your prerogative.

I'm positive she's town right now though.
In post 442, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've played more games with FA than anyone else on site and have yet to misread her.

Keep that in mind.
In post 443, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've also actually been scumpartners with her, so I know how she operates as scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64156

Does this look like her scum game at all?
In post 444, RadiantCowbells wrote:Scum FA is very rigorous and gets really invested into the logical side of things, somewhat similar to my own scum game in that she tries to leave a trail for all the shit she does but she basically doesn't AtE, at all.

As town she's really AtEy and it's hard to follow her cases as a logical sequence. This is absolutely the latter.
In post 445, RadiantCowbells wrote:She did AtE like once in 37 but it was one of her scummiest lines of the game because of how poorly done it was.

I can't see her pulling off this rage thing effectively as scum at all, not against me who is particularly good at seeing through fake rage. (See: making the AFB scum team forfeit in 167 with my fake cop claim on scum)


Pretty okay meta defense yea?
Here's the thing tho, RC this is where you come in:

I think you're scumFA's buddy.

Now this makes complete and utter sense to me. A scum RC tells a scum FA to ham up her playstyle and he'll just convince town that hey, that's just FA being FA, whaddayagonnado? It's
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, man.

In post 970, RadiantCowbells wrote:The fuck is with people and citing shitty meta defenses for their play?


Good question RC!

FA gets kinda flustered with the heat she's been getting tho, sorta resenting the plan RC has strongarmed on her.

In post 1323, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm not your blind follower RC.

Complete and utter sense to me.
So my suggestion is to lynch this girl, see how she flips and then lynch RC accordingly.


:|

and if you see my town flip at last?!! yeah I know where its going! FA was town so RC is still scum for his try to stop the wagon ....

You literally gain nothing from RC after my town flip.

are YOU SERIOUSLY this stupid?!
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Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:39 pm

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In post 1567, RadiantCowbells wrote:Do you think you have something or not? I'm perfectly open to changing

I thought I did but you haven't agreed with a lick of it.

I'm not going to sit here arguing with a strong townread of mine right now about a read that you're completely opposite me on because I'm very clearly getting flustered and I'll just end up like I did in Refraction.

We've got other fish to fry and can come back to Wicked if circumstances warrant it.

I agree PK has concerned me but I can't pinpoint why. I hated how he sort of buddied me D1 in explaining my naked votes to Dwlee. PK never even questioned my alignment through all that. Just compared me to Mollie and said he'd sort me that way. Which is fine because I do think my town game has some Mollie nuances, but our scum games are nothing alike.
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Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:40 pm

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PK's usually hella paranoid about me.

I find it somewhat odd that he's basically giving me free reign here, given that usually he spends the entire game trying to leash me.
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Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:41 pm

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There's non alignment related reasons for that though so I'm iffy about it just because I can see him as town pretty easily as well.
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Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:41 pm

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psst, FA

sign up for blind follower status and vote Zulfy w/ me :)

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