UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

[Sharky5x]

Sharky, did dramonic define how the compulsive would work and what would happen if a target wasn't chosen?

I was not told, but I have read it is normal to make the target randomized.

[RolePlay25]

This shot is a bunch of BS.

Errant, do not declare in thread who you shoot until it's submitted and Dramonic posts. Thanks.

[Errantparabola]

Phoneposting so im not reading until i get home from the grocery.
I got this pm, but from what it looks like everyone already knows about it.

[Cerberus v666]

Roleplay, by definition a desperado shot is declared in thread.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ado_(Role)

From the wiki: "A Desperado is a role that targets a player during the day in-thread to perform the following action on. If the target is scum (mafia), then their target is killed. If not, they die in a valiant "desperado" attempt."

So yeah. Assuming the role is as described in the wiki (which is a question I wish sharky had asked before submitting his action, as well as ensuring his target publicly claimed they were not ascetic, so there was no uncertainty) he has to announce his target in thread.

[Cerberus v666]

Also, Errant, if you have any thoughts to share with the game, assuming you actually are town, please do so before you shoot, in case you are wrong.

Roleplay, wtf? I just realized that your suggestion would mean we would have no idea who he had targeted if he targeted scum, and thus all we'd know is he died. Did you seriously not realize him not declaring his target makes this way weaker?

[Cerberus v666]

Also, Sharky, don't me being on your case about not getting questions answered personally. I hate to leave things to chance is all, and right now I can't predict what will happen even if you are town doing as they said they would.

[Errantparabola]

Yaknow

At first I was like "demanding a claim from someone not at l-1 with intent to hammer is really scummy"

And then I was like "lul idc". The actions are bad, but the way RP is going about this feels me with good feels and sharkys reaction is really bad

i'm somewhere in the middle. the way RP is going about it this is probably towny, but sharky refusing to claim until L-1 is fine by me.

so sharky's dreamer role is confirmed? right? does this not mean sharky isn't lying?
Why would I want to end my own life just to confirm sharky as town?
also, Dramonic's PM implies that I don't HAVE to kill.

dramonic i need you to clarify this

[Errantparabola]

I want to shoot diamond personally.

[Errantparabola]

Oh shit.

If my interpretation of Dramonic's PM is correct, Dramonic's interpretation of Sharky's dream is that the gun is not what makes the shooting compulsive, it's the previous imaginary "role" that the gun belonged to.
So my gun can be used at any time, or not at all.
And I bet you that the desperado effect won't kick in, either.

[Errantparabola]

so I just have a regular gun. That's what I'm getting from my PM.

[Errantparabola]

dramonic, you evil genius

[Cerberus v666]

Well, the idea was you (and it wasn't supposed to be you) wouldn't have a choice, you'd have to shoot someone, and if scum you'd have rhe unenviable talk of deciding to kill a teammate for practically no town cred or confirm a townie AND die yourself.

Can you tell us what your new power is/how it works? I'd like to know if it's standard, or if dramonic put some twist on it.

Pedit: no, that doesn't make him an evil genius, it makes sharky either a liar or someone who didn't double check everything before submitting their action.

It doesn't take genius to deliberately misinterpret the action of someone who couldn't be bothered to confirm things before taking action.

[RolePlay25]

Okay great, Sharky lied. This was unexpected.

What happens when you shoot him?

[RolePlay25]

Note: This is a strong suggestion to submit said action and observe outcome

[RolePlay25]

Also, Errant, if you have any thoughts to share with the game, assuming you actually are town, please do so before you shoot, in case you are wrong.

Roleplay, wtf? I just realized that your suggestion would mean we would have no idea who he had targeted if he targeted scum, and thus all we'd know is he died. Did you seriously not realize him not declaring his target makes this way weaker?

Mmm, hadn't thought of that.

I still think this entire power is bogus as fuck, to be honest, so yeah.

[Errantparabola]

the pm implied that the gun belonged to a day one compulsive desperado.
And I still received a gun.

[RolePlay25]

Like, can we consider the progression here?

"I'm a role that will help you at a later date!"
"By which I'm a lucid dreamer who can change the game in some way"
"By which I mean I can change something for another player or target them"
"By which I mean I can dayvig them"
"By which I mean I can give them a compulsive desperado shot"
"By which I mean I can give them a perfectly ordinary vig shot"

Let us add this line to the above:

@Davsto

"He's acting like the game that he was scum in" is essentially a scumread.

PEdit: Miller isn't explicitly bastard. Bastard typically entails like, say, telling a mafia they have no teammates when in fact they do, or not telling a cop/doctor they are insane/cpr doctor.

This game is not bastard, but for future reference insane cops aren't considered bastard.

Man, if Sharky is town, then either Dramonic was lying through his teeth to Sharky, multiple times in a row or Sharky failed to ask any of the questions he specifically confirmed he asked.

I don't think either happened.

Sharky, if you're a third party claim right this second and we'll consider letting you live.

[tn5421]

That still generates a one for one because TN not claiming ascetic is a scumclaim.

I'm not ascetic.

It's not even a one for one, it's a guaranteed kill. Of course there's no reason for tn to not falsely claim ascetic now. I guess in that case we choose someone else to be the desperado, and likely lynch tn. A desperado at sharky seems best btw, clearing him is really really good.

I still stand by that TN should pick who to desperado with Sharky being a suggestion.
If the desperado is dreamed as I describe

"I dream that I invent a desperado gun to TN." Then Sharky is likely town.

TN picking says volumes about his alignment.

I'm torn between Jeanne and zmuffinman.

[3dicerolling]

the pm implied that the gun belonged to a day one compulsive desperado.
And I still received a gun.

Zzzzzz.

We definitely need clarification on whether it's a desperado shot or just a regular gun.

[Errantparabola]

would it be modkillable for sharky to quote to us what he dreamed?
it's not a role PM, so I don't think so

[tn5421]

RolePlay25, can you keep posting like you did in 1291? I for one would greatly appreciate it.

Quite frankly sharky has lied to town even more than Jeanne has flailed. Considering moving my vote.

@Errant: It falls under quoting mod communication, so he would get modkilled for it.

[3dicerolling]

@RP - So what do you think this reflects upon errant's alignment?

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

[Sharky5x]

Why are you suspecting I could be third party..?

If the gun is an ordinary gun then I've been deceived.

"I invent a day one compulsive desperado gun and hand it to Errantparabola"

I asked before if I could do this, and I could. I don't understand why errant sees it as a regular gun.

[RolePlay25]

Also I wouldn't use my not voting against me. My role could've been useful later on, but it is kind of annoying. Especially when it comes to voting.

Lucid Dreamers can do 1 action taken on another player (none of this upgrading myself), in a day/night cycle.

I don't become a role. I simply perform an action.
I know an action I can pick is "day desperado shot"

Your role is stupidly strong. If we can do what LH suggested for multiple days, we are controlling more kills than scum, and potentially clearing town and sculpting a perfect POE endgame for us. It's much better if we don't have to risk you targeting scum and dying. If you're town. If you're scum you're certainly trying to figure out how to screw this up. :p

And again: why did you handle the vote restriction the way you did?

If that is true, then it will certainly be rejected. I am going to do a desperado shot today. Errant, Massflop, or TN. I'm still thinking.

Why are you so interested in that when I've already said I cannot talk about it?

Breaking news, I can give the compulsive day one desperado gun.

Yeah this claim has been modified too many times.