UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

Errantparabola · Post Post #1300 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:28 pm

In post 1297, DiamondSentinel wrote:Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

I can't wait to hear your reasoning.

tn5421 · Post Post #1301 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:30 pm

VOTE: sharky5x

See RP25's most recent post.

RolePlay25 · Post Post #1302 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 1298, Sharky5x wrote:Why are you suspecting I could be third party..?

If the gun is an ordinary gun then I've been deceived.

"I invent a day one compulsive desperado gun and hand it to Errantparabola"

I asked before if I could do this, and I could. I don't understand why errant sees it as a regular gun.

If you're actually town, and have actually been lied to directly by the moderator, we're playing in a bastard game that was explicitly declared non-bastard. That would be... a little special.

I'm going to go off "the moderator isn't lying to me about lying to me" to be honest, because if Dramonic did that it's up to him to fix his damn game state.

So if you believe that EP is lying, then the optimal solution is for him to shoot you, correct?

Outcomes:

If you are town and telling the truth:

EP dies. You selected him as a scum read already, so that seems fine.

If you are scum and telling the truth:

You die. You understand why I don't mind this scenario.

If you are scum and lying:

God knows. Does EP die? Does someone else die? Lord knows.

If you are town and lying:

I cry

Errantparabola · Post Post #1303 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:34 pm

I still don't see how sharky lied.

say sharky said "I give EP a day 1 compulsive desperado gun"
The phrase "day 1 compulsive desperado gun" could be easily interpreted as "gun that belongs to a day 1 compulsive desperado"
which is now a "gun that belongs to errantparabola"
which is implicitly a "gun"

Sharky5x · Post Post #1304 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:35 pm

In post 1299, RolePlay25 wrote:
In post 1028, Sharky5x wrote:Also I wouldn't use my not voting against me. My role could've been useful later on, but it is kind of annoying. Especially when it comes to voting.

In post 1188, Sharky5x wrote:Lucid Dreamers can do 1 action taken on another player (none of this upgrading myself), in a day/night cycle.

In post 1232, Sharky5x wrote:I don't become a role. I simply perform an action.
I know an action I can pick is "day desperado shot"

In post 1240, Sharky5x wrote:
In post 1239, Cerberus v666 wrote:Your role is stupidly strong. If we can do what LH suggested for multiple days, we are controlling more kills than scum, and potentially clearing town and sculpting a perfect POE endgame for us. It's much better if we don't have to risk you targeting scum and dying. If you're town. If you're scum you're certainly trying to figure out how to screw this up. :p

And again: why did you handle the vote restriction the way you did?
If that is true, then it will certainly be rejected. I am going to do a desperado shot today. Errant, Massflop, or TN. I'm still thinking.

Why are you so interested in that when I've already said I cannot talk about it?

In post 1245, Sharky5x wrote:Breaking news, I can give the compulsive day one desperado gun.

Yeah this claim has been modified too many times.

Where has it ever been modified..? I already told you I can do any action taken on another player in a day/night cycle.

RolePlay25 · Post Post #1305 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 1303, Errantparabola wrote:I still don't see how sharky lied.

say sharky said "I give EP a day 1 compulsive desperado gun"
The phrase "day 1 compulsive desperado gun" could be easily interpreted as "gun that belongs to a day 1 compulsive desperado"
which is now a "gun that belongs to errantparabola"
which is implicitly a "gun"

And now he's hard defending Sharky

After Sharky inexplicably picked him as his strongest scumread.

While voting for DiamondSentinel

In post 1081, Sharky5x wrote:VOTE: DiamondSentinel
One of the people I wanted to vote, thank you .3.

I am being shown a play on a stage, and the actors are all scum

DiamondSentinel · Post Post #1306 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:39 pm

In fact, if it's a regular, 100% don't shoot me, because I can confirm my role next time Sharky can Daydream.

Errantparabola · Post Post #1307 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:41 pm

In post 1300, Errantparabola wrote:
In post 1297, DiamondSentinel wrote:Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

I can't wait to hear your reasoning.

no seriously, go ahead

Errantparabola · Post Post #1308 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:42 pm

In post 1305, RolePlay25 wrote:
In post 1303, Errantparabola wrote:I still don't see how sharky lied.

say sharky said "I give EP a day 1 compulsive desperado gun"
The phrase "day 1 compulsive desperado gun" could be easily interpreted as "gun that belongs to a day 1 compulsive desperado"
which is now a "gun that belongs to errantparabola"
which is implicitly a "gun"

And now he's hard defending Sharky

After Sharky inexplicably picked him as his strongest scumread.

While voting for DiamondSentinel

In post 1081, Sharky5x wrote:VOTE: DiamondSentinel
One of the people I wanted to vote, thank you .3.

I am being shown a play on a stage, and the actors are all scum

set aside your scumteam theory for a second and look at the logic. is anything i said explicitly wrong?

RolePlay25 · Post Post #1309 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:43 pm

Farking soft claims.

CONFIRMATION OF ROLE IS NOT CONFIRMATION OF ALIGNMENT

So yeah. If you're town, you're only telling the scum to shoot you. If you're scum, fucking stop them, because they are making me want to lynch you VERY BADLY.

itlepip · Post Post #1310 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:45 pm

I'm mean sharky could easily be a nightmare from the exact same game that lucid dreamers came from. I am not happy with the insane amount of posturing that Sharky and EP have been doing.

RolePlay25 · Post Post #1311 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:48 pm

In post 1308, Errantparabola wrote:set aside your scumteam theory for a second and look at the logic. is anything i said explicitly wrong?

Yes. He lied. You, if what you are saying is true, know for a fact he lied.

In post 1245, Sharky5x wrote:Breaking news, I can give the compulsive day one desperado gun.

Do you honestly think Dramonic said "Yes, you can give a day one compulsive desperado gun" and then gave you an ordinary vig shot with flavor? If so, that is flat out bastard moderation. That is the definition of lying to the players. It's literally the CPR doctor sort of role (Oh, you save him with your medical tools, but your medical tools are actually a bunch of knives and household chemicals because you're a crazy person so you kill them)

Dramonic: Is this game bastard? Yes or no.

Maybe he's scum who can hand out inventions with a negative effect and whatever flavor he wants.

DiamondSentinel · Post Post #1312 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:49 pm

I invite scum to NK me. I'd get a great laugh out of it. And besides, it would confirm my alignment as well, not just role. Don't get in a huff.

Learned Hand · Post Post #1313 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:50 pm

The solution is the same though. Errant shoots TN or Sharky as the group dictates.

The result will tell us the type of gun it was.

A gun that belonged to a day one desperado is a very strained interpretation of what I wrote.

~Titus

Sharky5x · Post Post #1314 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:50 pm

No, I do not think dramonic lied. He should shoot me.

tn5421 · Post Post #1315 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:51 pm

Actually yeah just shoot me I don't want to live in a town that wants Jeanne11 alive.

3dicerolling · Post Post #1316 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:52 pm

I agree with LH, we should let errant shoot one of them.

Errantparabola · Post Post #1317 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:52 pm

ds get your head out of your ass and respond to me.

also, roleplay.

RolePlay25 wrote:
Do you honestly think Dramonic said "Yes, you can give a day one compulsive desperado gun" and then gave you an ordinary vig shot with flavor? If so, that is flat out bastard moderation. That is the definition of lying to the players. It's literally the CPR doctor sort of role (Oh, you save him with your medical tools, but your medical tools are actually a bunch of knives and household chemicals because you're a crazy person so you kill them)

SHARKY did you ask dramonic if you could do said action
or did you just send said action to the mod
because this will determine whether I shoot you or not

RolePlay25 · Post Post #1318 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:53 pm

In post 1314, Sharky5x wrote:No, I do not think dramonic lied. He should shoot me.

Cool. I think we've reached a solution then.

I do admit part of me wonders if you gave him exactly what you said, and are actually town. If so, then him shooting you as scum would be an epic disaster.

PEdit: Nope, Sharky. This is a direct 1v1 situation. Either Sharky is lying or EP is.

Errantparabola · Post Post #1319 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:54 pm

In post 1314, Sharky5x wrote:He should shoot me.

tn5421 wrote: yeah just shoot me

lol

tn5421 · Post Post #1320 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:54 pm

You guys do realize I have a lot of experience with Jeanne11, considering that most of the games I've modded have had her in the playerlist?

Sharky5x · Post Post #1321 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:55 pm

Paraphrased, he said 'You may give a compulsive day one desperado gun'

Which I then proceeded to do.

Errantparabola · Post Post #1322 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:57 pm

What happens if I shoot sharky and flips town?
What happens if I shoot sharky and flips scum?

RolePlay25 · Post Post #1323 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:00 pm

In post 1322, Errantparabola wrote:What happens if I shoot sharky and flips town?

Then he lied as town which... why... or well, we can have some annoyed words to say with the moderator.

What happens if I shoot sharky and flips scum?

... profit?

Sharky5x · Post Post #1324 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:03 pm

In post 1323, RolePlay25 wrote:
In post 1322, Errantparabola wrote:What happens if I shoot sharky and flips town?

Then he lied as town which... why... or well, we can have some annoyed words to say with the moderator.

What happens if I shoot sharky and flips scum?
... profit?

How would me flipping townie mean I lied? Lied about what exactly?
If the gun worked he can't kill me resulting in a flip.