Mini 1748: ClownTardis Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Aristophanes]

I have one scumread. Sell me on something else.

I'd also do Adaptive.

In fact I think I will vote Adaptive.

VOTE: Adaptive Heap

RC, what stuck out about Dat hydra?

[RadiantCowbells]

Plotty's posting just bugged me.

If I resume interest in pushing it I'll make you a case.

[Adaptive Heap]

Since family night isn't happening tonight, thought I'd pop in quickly to say: not site flaking.
Just...very, very preoccupied with something that to you would be something you'd prioritize as being below mafia but which to me is really, really, REALLY important. (Read my blog for the details.)
Regardless of whether I succeed or fail, I'm going to be back Monday, but that's time I won't be here, because...well, yeah. I REALLY want to get this project done. It holds significant personal meaning to me and is a MAJOR milestone in my life if I can get it done. So I'm going to ask my hydra partner to hold the fort until Monday. I'll overcome inertia and contribute then. Somehow. Because yeah, need to rebalance my mafia life. Just...now now. Three days from now. Consider it V/LA.

If my mental calculation is correct, that's a full day before the deadline, meaning plenty of time for me to catch up.

^Us obviously.

No worries mastin - thanks for letting us know what's going on <3

Catching up now. Welcome, RC.

-t

[Adaptive Heap]

Why is Davsto your top townread after one post?
Where's the culmination of all your scumhunting?

Do you townhunt?

Just a quick follow-up on this from Persivul. Even though he's replaced now, so this will be brief. Also edited my typo above.

Davsto is town why?

For reasons already given. Making a lengthy incriminating post with post references is not "just sitting" on one's vote. And you still haven't answered my question - what's in it for davsto to side with me and antagonize Rob?

Typically when I'm supporting the person under heaviest fire on D1, I'm town. And typically, someone accuses me of WKing. That's a charge that IMO gets thrown around too much lately, and shouldn't be made until there's a flip.

These are the reasons already given, after Persivul changed his vote from Davsto.

Good post by davsto. Whether Rob's scum or town, it would be easier for scum to side with him rather than me as Rob has greater site cred and popularity.

Problem here is, the above is the complete set of "reasons given" up until this point. I think what happened here was this as I mentioned earlier:

Ultimately I question the actual content which he brought in his catch-up post and wonder if you're just blind to it because he said what you wanted to hear.

This also goes to the implicit towning of Persivul which Davsto undertook. Effectively creating an "us or them" scenario where Persivul's town because Rob's scum - and vice-versa (Rob's scum because Persivul's town).
Fairly simple scum-move to make. Back the wrong, agressive town. As long as both are the top two wagons, you can't really lose as scum.
Either wrong agressive town, lives on for another day and since you've both backed the same town-lynch you're semi immune to agressive-town's pushes on yourself
OR wrong agressive town gets lynched and you can say "well I was right, so let's lynch Persivul's scumread who I was also scumreading".

Which he appears to have also capitalised on by way of RC's replace-in.

Oh looks like I was right about Persivul slot, how strange.

Welcome to RCMafia.

Where the reads are made up and the votes don't matter.

Completely and absolutely happy with our vote on Davsto. I'm almost 100% certain that this play wouldn't come from town.

[Adaptive Heap]

Pers, the reason I don't consider two kills to confirm is that FBI Agent is a great fake claim for an SK.

Think about it. You get the two kills to "confirm". Scum don't kill you because you can't investigate on them. It's pretty airtight.

I thought about your claim and how it could/couldn't be confirmed, and I concluded that there was no feasible way to confirm it without assuming that an SK wouldn't lie. And that's obviously not a good assumption to make.

This reasoning is flawed. Why would an SK fakeclaim FBI Agent? Through being an SK, he'd know there's quite a risk of there being an FBI Agent in the game, and as such fakeclaiming FBI brings with it quite a decent chance of being counter-claimed.

It would more likely be a mafia fake-claim. Given that ffery has provided explicit safe fake-claims in the past (and I would think ffery + Syr almost certainly do). Also given that the game is role madness (which I presume means practically everyone has some non-vanilla role).
So it's either a true claim which could indicate the presence of an SK, or it's a mod-provided fakeclaim for mafia.

I really doubt it's a mod-provided fakeclaim *for* the SK if one exists. This reasoning is flawed.

Question is, would mafia!Persi claim FBI?

He wouldn't, because if he guesses from setup spec that:
there isn't an SK, it would soon become apparent and he'd get fucked over.
there is an SK, he is painting a big target on his arse for a crosskill (as well as a risk of being counterclaimed).

This claim reinforces my townread on him.

This reasoning is also flawed. If Persivul finds himself under pressure of lynch of course he uses a mod-provided fakeclaim.
For all I know he could be x-shot BP killless scum rolecop.

I honestly don't know how you arrived at your Persivul townread Davsto.
I think I'll get a better read on the slot from RC frankly.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I'll get a better read on the slot from RC frankly.

Yeah, I heard RC is so easy to read.

[Adaptive Heap]

Just realised Adaptive Heap is talah and mastin neither of these should be making such poor arguments

Hi. You ready to actually interact with the game yet?
Also - we've never played a game together before, have we?
You may know mastin but you don't know me, so how do you assume anything about my arguments in order to say they "shouldn't be poor" (which they're not by the way, no matter how you frame them).
Just wondering how you arrive at that conclusion with no previous experience of me though.
Seems like more shitslinging in addition to Post 379.

I was asking why you made the comment about Not_Mafia's username in the first place.

Also please don't patronise me. I don't find it funny or clever.

-t

And again, I'm not sure how it helps you determine anyone's alignment.

Were you hoping for a pingback from Not_Mafia? You got one. How did you read it?

-t

Mmmnnnyeees?
Kuroi had posted a shitty accusation at Persivul in RVS, lurked and not provided anything afterward, and then when you replaced in decided another RVS post was in order - making a "joke" about your username.
So I pressured him for it because he wasn't providing anything up to that point.

He's starting to seem townish to me now, but he's still on my radar.

You however are making terrible arguments (and one of the posts mastin provided me with in our QT in the initial burst she had, was that she had burden of proficiency on you).
Considering you're scumreading our slot and you're saying *I* should be posting better (while failing to see why I'm doing things), I'm giving you the second-most-likely scum in this game mantle.
Happy with that? Wanna chat?

-t

[Adaptive Heap]

I think I'll get a better read on the slot from RC frankly.

Yeah, I heard RC is so easy to read.

Yeah I saw the Frozen-scum rigmarole and still don't know why you did it.

I ended up tending town on Persivul anyway but if you're town and want to help with some actual scumhunting then I'm down.
Well to clarify, scumhunting that I can understand.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah I saw the Frozen-scum rigmarole and still don't know why you did it.

to see how Frozen would react.

I'm strongly leaning town on her reactions - BUT - she hard to read so.

[Adaptive Heap]

I don't think I'm lynching persi today.
VOTE: Davsto

Hi!

Can you please summarise how you moved from wanting to lynch Persivul in the big post you made (the relevant part of it is here):

To comment on Persivul vs Rob. Rob is winning for me and honestly I feel like sheeping the vote. I have to say that Rob is like Sherlock Holmes, he'll notice the minute details and whether that tells him that someone is scum or town. I particularly find Persivul's bout with Rob to be like flinging dirt at Rob. Persi's argument is convoluted, I don't even know why he's scum reading Rob. Whereas Rob has enumerated and laid out many times as to why Persi is scum. I do not like Persi vote hopping so much. After he unvoted Rob he went from Ari, to FA to Dav to shiro and now to Rob again. What is he actually trying to accomplish with that. For me, it appears as thought Persi is scum trying to fake "proactive towness" and make it look like he is actually doing something in the game when he is not.

I particularly liked Shiro's criticism of Persi's play, in his 447 and 449. He raises an important point that Persi is faking an attempt to pressure players. With the mention of Shiro, I have to say that he is ringing town to me. He may not have posted much, but what he has posted is informing me that he has a town mindset coming into the game, while he is not actively pushing people, he is noticing the little holes that scum were unable to cover up in their plays.

...to not wanting to lynch him here:

I don't think I'm lynching persi today.
VOTE: Davsto

You seemed pretty invested in "one of Rob or Persivul is scum".
You mentioned the FBI agent role a couple of times in your sentence-long posts in between...
But I wonder why the claim changes your aspect on lynching if you think the slot's still scummy.

Did you decide not to lynch Persivul because you thought he was town, or because you wanted to preserve the claim?
The shift isn't making much sense from my perspective.

[Adaptive Heap]

Yeah I saw the Frozen-scum rigmarole and still don't know why you did it.

to see how Frozen would react.

I'm strongly leaning town on her reactions - BUT - she hard to read so.

I'm gut-towning her. I don't know what I'd be looking for in scum-her though.

-t

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm more in a situation where I haven't seen any scumtells from her than to be particularly townreading her.

She's a devious little schemer, that FA.

[Frozen Angel]

Can I sig that?!

[RadiantCowbells]

You can't sig from an ongoing game, dummy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hmm.

That makes me want to vote you.

[Frozen Angel]

ok! I do that after the game!

But I'm town!

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't believe you.

[Frozen Angel]

not again!

I need to go somewhere!

we can talk about it at night ... But still I'm town

[RadiantCowbells]

ok have a nice day

[Adaptive Heap]

Um, so can you give me some vague indication into the specifics of any Frozen-scum read you have RC?

Cuz you just finished up saying you were tending town on her.
Like - is Frozen likely to just say "I'm town sis" to you repeatedly as scum?

Also she's actually being hilarious. Is she that cheeky as scum?

-t

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, but usually she throws in more WTF IM TOWN HOW ARE YOU MISREADING ME!!!!!!! and I WILL HANG MYSELF IF YOU LYNCH ME!!!!!! as scum.

This reaction seems pretty tame.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're better off straight up just ignoring your gut on FA entirely and just deal purely with the logic of her cases.

If they don't make sense, if she's chainsawy and her votes don't necessarily make sense and could be opportunistic, lynch her.

[RadiantCowbells]

https://listenonrepeat.com/?v=cLftj3fpg ... _rigmarole

[RadiantCowbells]

She's actually a lot like me as scum in that sense.

She did play her first scum game on site with me and hopefully learned a lot