Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[Cephrir]

EBWODP: Should be "I thought you were scum"

[curiouskarmadog]

I realize he was right. He can be right and still be scum.

CKD:

FoS: CKD. All of your arguments are based on the assumption that Karen is a bad town player. There is no reason she can't be a bad scum player. There is also no reason why scum would NK her.

I think you are scum and knew Karen wasn't scum with you. However, dybeck has just reminded me that he's scum. Looking back, I suppose you are really only

FoS

-worthy anyway.

Unvote, Vote dybeck

.

wow, I dont know what is more astounding, that you actually posted that case, or that you think the town might actually believe it. I think you are scum, and you are trying to get another fast town lynch Day 2...hopefully the town will learn from Day 1..

unvote, vote cephrir

I still find davdangelsummers scummy..lets see how long he lurks.

[Cephrir]

Way to be oppurtunistic, CKD. I'm done arguing with you. I don't think any amount of explanation will get you to understand a single logical thing that anyone says.

[Dead Rikimaru]

From 1860, the year when the new unified Italian state first took over both Sicily and the Papal states, the Popes were hostile to the state. From 1870, the Pope declared himself besieged by the Italian state and strongly encouraged Catholics to refuse to cooperate with the state. Broadly speaking, in mainland Italy, this took a peaceful character. Sicily was strongly Catholic, but in a strongly tribal sense rather than in an intellectual and theological sense, and had a tradition of suspicion of outsiders. The friction between the Church and the state gave a great advantage to violent criminal bands in Sicily who could claim to peasants and townspeople that cooperating with the police (representing the new Italian state) was an anti-Catholic activity. It was in the two decades following the 1860 unification that the term Mafia came to the attention of the general public, although it was considered to be more of an attitude and value system than an organization.

THIRD VOTECOUNT

Green Day

(3) - Twomz , Blight , ChocolateAttack

Cephrir

(3) - dybeck , Flyinghawk , curiouskarmadog

dybeck

(2) - WhoMe? , Cephrir

curiouskarmadog

(1) - ZONEACE

Twomz

(1) - Green Day

Not voting

(7): Sonicpulsar , davidangelsummers , Honary Hitchhiker , Kison , Tarhalindur , thinktank , FeRnAnDo

Needed for a lynch: 9 votes
Negotiable deadline: 29 days

If by deadline no one has 9 votes player with more votes is lynched
If two players have same number of votes lynch is decided by duel

[Green Day]

I think it was good Suspecting people who voted Karen! Gosh.

[dybeck]

It occurs to me that since scum groups can't NK each other, it's not necessarily in their best interests to kill each other.

Which might explain why so many people in this game are on board with such obviously bad lynches.

There's every chance that town is in the

minority

here, and facing off against a LOT of scum. So everyone needs to be careful they're not blindly following the crowd.

[WhoMe?]

As I read the current situation, both NK's went through, so the scum, assuming no investigative scum roles, can not be certain who the other side is. At the point where 1 or more NK's have failed, quick/overly forceful/crap logic lycnhes should give us leads on our scum. For now the noXkill flavour doesn't give us much of anything to base our reasoning on.

[Green Day]

^^ Good point. Why would the wolves have killed theopor_COD? It keeps confusing me... He lynched Karen with no reason. Putting it straight into night. This is scummy, which scum want. Why would scum kill him? Can someone please try and explain to me why someone would do this.

[ZONEACE]

^^ Good point. Why would the wolves have killed theopor_COD? It keeps confusing me... He lynched Karen with no reason. Putting it straight into night. This is scummy, which scum want. Why would scum kill him? Can someone please try and explain to me why someone would do this.

Clearly the wolves are inexperienced.

FOS anyone who's joined in last 6 months

[WhoMe?]

Maybe they wanted to be sure he was on the other side. A failed NK would be an almost certain "other side" indication. Their NK choice is kind of like an investigation in the old witch trials sense, if they survive they're a witch, if they die they're a stand up guy....

[ZONEACE]

I know I wouldn't have killed theopor if I were scum because he would have been an easy target today with his actions yesterday. It seems to me the ONLY people who would have killed him were those without enough experience to realize the postion theopor put himself in.

Wanting to make sure of his alignment isn't a good enough reason for me to think the wolves are veteran players. They didn't NEED to know his alignment since they could have likely lynched him today regardless. I think we're looking for newbie wolves.

[Cephrir]

The problem is that a ton of the players in this game are new.

[curiouskarmadog]

Way to be oppurtunistic, CKD. I'm done arguing with you. I don't think any amount of explanation will get you to understand a single logical thing that anyone says.

jesus, I am scum when I dont vote karen because I think she is an idiot town, but I am oppurntunistic when I think you are scum and vote you..

cant have it both ways.

Clearly the wolves are inexperienced.

FOS anyone who's joined in last 6 months

what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

[Kison]

Your actions yesterday were disconcerting, yes, Karen ended up being town, but there was the possibility she was scum coupled with her inability to aid the town in ANY WAY. It was obvious that our best option yesterday was to lynch her and you were completely opposed to it but gave us no better ideas.

Legitimizing a failure of a wagon.

that shows how you could be pushing for her death without voting. I got to say that twomz raises valid points that you just dismissed wihtout countering.

Accusing someone who indirectly

supported

the failure of the wagon. Yes, I understand that the scum vibe comes from the indirection, but that's not the point. The point is the

support

contradicts the next "theory" :

I honestly believe that most of the people voting for karen yesterday were town. She gave us NO CHOICE. We had to lynch karen yesterday. I think it would have been in the scum's (both mafia and wolves) best interest for her to still be alive cause she would have most definately hindered us later in the game so to me, the people defending her the most agressively are the most suspicious.

So it was a town wagon(how convenient). Scum wanted Karen to live(also convenient). Yet GreenDay tried to have Karen lynch and is scum.

Your last FoS is also laughable.

Vote : Zoneace

...But I haven't been very active in this game, so I must be scum as well.


Now on a personal note, I do agree that GreenDay's indirect support of the wagon is a strong scummy vibe. However, I disagree with the BS Zoneace is saying about the Karen wagon being a grand valiant attempt by the town to rid themselves of a troubled soul and that they had no choice. The only hindrance Karen gave off was causing us to lynch her. Keeping her alive another day would have simply delayed that outcome.

[davidangelsummers]

Way to be oppurtunistic, CKD. I'm done arguing with you. I don't think any amount of explanation will get you to understand a single logical thing that anyone says.

jesus, I am scum when I dont vote karen because I think she is an idiot town, but I am oppurntunistic when I think you are scum and vote you..

cant have it both ways.

Clearly the wolves are inexperienced.

FOS anyone who's joined in last 6 months

what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

and the im rubber your glue award goes to.....
as much as I dislike Karma and his constant biteing I have to take one thing in to account. Cephrir has Voted\fosed both Karma\Dybeck and I reckon at least one of them is genuine ..So

FOS Cephrir

[/b]

[ZONEACE]

what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

I went back and reread your posts and decided you didnt desreve a reply cause you didn't raise any valid points, much like yesterday.


oh and Kison, way to vote me for, for explaining SOMEONE ELSES THEORY to greenday

maybe if you actually read the thread and actually participated instead of well not and then making votes based on your lack of information you'd not look scummy, but alas, thats what you've done so

HUGE FOS on kison

[curiouskarmadog]

what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

I went back and reread your posts and decided you didnt desreve a reply cause you didn't raise any valid points, much like yesterday.


oh and Kison, way to vote me for, for explaining SOMEONE ELSES THEORY to greenday

maybe if you actually read the thread and actually participated instead of well not and then making votes based on your lack of information you'd not look scummy, but alas, thats what you've done so

HUGE FOS on kison

have a feeling I will be saying this a lot to you

your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

well post why my points are not valid, I think they are...dont dismiss them because you dont have a valid response

[Cephrir]

Way to be oppurtunistic, CKD. I'm done arguing with you. I don't think any amount of explanation will get you to understand a single logical thing that anyone says.

jesus, I am scum when I dont vote karen because I think she is an idiot town, but I am oppurntunistic when I think you are scum and vote you..

cant have it both ways.

Clearly the wolves are inexperienced.

FOS anyone who's joined in last 6 months

what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

and the im rubber your glue award goes to.....
as much as I dislike Karma and his constant biteing I have to take one thing in to account. Cephrir has Voted\fosed both Karma\Dybeck and I reckon at least one of them is genuine ..So

FOS Cephrir

[/b]

There's a difference between thinking I may be wrong and thinking I'm scum. Just so you know.

[quote="CKD"well post why my points are not valid, I think they are...dont dismiss them because you dont have a valid response[/quote]

That's not why your points are being dismissed, FYI.

[curiouskarmadog]

Way to be oppurtunistic, CKD. I'm done arguing with you. I don't think any amount of explanation will get you to understand a single logical thing that anyone says.

jesus, I am scum when I dont vote karen because I think she is an idiot town, but I am oppurntunistic when I think you are scum and vote you..

cant have it both ways.

Clearly the wolves are inexperienced.

FOS anyone who's joined in last 6 months

what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.

and the im rubber your glue award goes to.....
as much as I dislike Karma and his constant biteing I have to take one thing in to account. Cephrir has Voted\fosed both Karma\Dybeck and I reckon at least one of them is genuine ..So

FOS Cephrir

[/b]

There's a difference between thinking I may be wrong and thinking I'm scum. Just so you know.

[quote="CKD"well post why my points are not valid, I think they are...dont dismiss them because you dont have a valid response

That's not why your points are being dismissed, FYI.[/quote]

your quote tags made this hard to read..

why do you feel like my points are not valid (even though the question was directed toward zoneface and not you)? Why did you feel if was necessary to comment on a question not addressed to you. Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.

[Cephrir]

I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.

Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.

Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

funny, so far your scumhunting has produced a townie..good job..now you are barking up my tree because I was opposed to the easiest lynch Day 1 and wanted to town to actually have some conversation and discussion...yeah, you are some scum hunter buddy.so again, what have you done for this town?

I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.

Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.

Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.

[Blight]

I think it was good Suspecting people who voted Karen! Gosh.

You do realize that you voted for Karen, right?

[ZONEACE]

I think it was good Suspecting people who voted Karen! Gosh.

You do realize that you voted for Karen, right?

Oh but then he unvoted her and went after those voting for while still advocating voting for her, so it's ok, that means he's innocent, obvi.

[Cephrir]

funny, so far your scumhunting has produced a townie..good job..now you are barking up my tree because I was opposed to the easiest lynch Day 1 and wanted to town to actually have some conversation and discussion...yeah, you are some scum hunter buddy.so again, what have you done for this town?

I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.

Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.

Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.

At the moment, actually, I have found scum in at least one of you/dybeck.

[curiouskarmadog]

man, you are a joke....wonder if my vote placement has anything to do with your scum hunting?

funny, so far your scumhunting has produced a townie..good job..now you are barking up my tree because I was opposed to the easiest lynch Day 1 and wanted to town to actually have some conversation and discussion...yeah, you are some scum hunter buddy.so again, what have you done for this town?

I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.

Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.

Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.

At the moment, actually, I have found scum in at least one of you/dybeck.