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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:31 pm

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BM, answer my question

HH: A question for you to answer before the day ends:
Honary Hitchhiker wrote:8. Lets see a person claims Nurse out of nowhere where he has suspiscison going on him. He then states it was for stiring up discussion. Scum could easily NK the Nurse whom is essential to the town. Claiming Nurse seemed to throw off some of Hazzel Q's offenders so I found this just a play to throw suspicsion off him. Why did you find it the best thing to do at that point? So you state thats how he felt when he posted that claim? And how would you know thats how he felt?
This is how you explain your vote on HazzelQ.

You seemed to have missed, that the POINT of claiming is to throw suspicion off him. If there is not counter claim, then it means that HazzelQ is indeed the nurse. I see no reason to doubt that claim in absense of a counter claim (and, if HQ is not the nurse, then someone SHOULD counterclaim. Loss of one nurse for one mafia is a good exchange)

The point is not whether it is the best thing to do. It may be a poor move on his part. However, we don't lynch townies who make mistakes. We lynch scum, and, you need to explain why you think HazzelQ was scum based on his nurse claim.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:13 am

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DeliciousGoldfish wrote:So you freakin' put us at deadlock?

The Greg had better die because he got to four first you mafioso Geddingsworth!

After everyone just posted how correct I was about the odds with us going in with a no lynch suck for the town!!!
omfg. Could you BE any more obvious in defending your scumbuddy?

Someone voting The Greg should quite clearly change to HH. or at least unvote, to give us time to reassess.

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@SirT- dont know what question you are on about...
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:27 am

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BM: I was asking you why you got off The Greg wagon after announcing "The Greg is the play for today" and after The Greg wagon started gaining momentum and looked like becoming a lynch.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:29 am

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Sir Tornado wrote:BM: I was asking you why you got off The Greg wagon after announcing "The Greg is the play for today" and after The Greg wagon started gaining momentum and looked like becoming a lynch.
because i got off my arse, reread and found that Greg was not as good a play as i had first thought. Its called changing opinions. :P
I'm currently willing to bet 1 New York Bagel, that HH is scum, and another, that Greg is town. Basically Sir T, its upto you to make your choice. Do you put your faith in BM and hammer HH, or do you stick with the wagon on Greg?

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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:31 am

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BM wrote: Someone voting The Greg should quite clearly change to HH. or at least unvote, to give us time to reassess.
Unvote


Alright. State your case against HH.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:37 am

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awesome dude :)

here is my original case on HH. Please do scan it for bias etc. You will find that i conducted the analysis with complete neutrality, and you will also find that HH looks incredibly scummy.
Honorary Hitchiker Analysis

Post 1-Random Vote.
Lurks for about 5 pages, with no excuse given.
Post 2-Threatens to put Geddingsworth at -1. No reason given, nor any suggestion of prior suspicion of him. Instead, places an FoS, in order to allow potential hammer later.
Post 3-Admits to following the crowd in suspicion of Geddingsworth.
Post 4-Follows the lead of CKD and asks a question to Geddingsworth, which I don’t really understand.
Post 5- Infers that he has been watching the game, but not posting. Confessed lurking.
Then uses The Greg’s argument to place further suspicion on HazzelQ.
Post 6- Accuses Nelly and HazzelQ of lurking. Rather ironic I feel.
Post 7-Use of persuasive techniques in order to BW HazzelQ-putting him at -1 I believe. Poor logic, and an incredibly scummy vote.
Post 8-After being questioned by Geddingsworth, he backtracks a little, promising to unvote when HazzelQ explains himself.
Post 9-Backtracks further, claiming that he didn’t even mean the vote as permanent. He simply wanted an explanation. This is not odd in itself, but when compared with the fact that HH has, up till this point, been VERY reluctant to use his vote, its out of character for him to wade in like that.
Post 10- Explanation given. Again, lurking is brought up, which is a tad hypocritical.
Post 11- Backtracks completely now, claiming that because he has met resistance with his vote, he will withdraw it, in the hope that he can escape further pressure.
More Lurking.
Post 12-Comments a little, by reiterating events. Then claims that I misinterpreted Greg, and HoS’s me- (see what I mean about his strange vote earlier?). Could suggest that he KNOWS Greg to be town. Doesn’t commit himself further.
Post 13-Accuses me of OMGUS. Nothing wrong with that really.
Post 14-Asks what part of his post didn’t make sense. Hopefully this post should answer that. If not, he can try writing his case against me again, and I’ll gladly explain fully why it is flawed.

Vote: HonaryHitchhiker

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Your best bet is probably to read HH's posts in isolation yourself. I wouldnt blame you for being wary of trusting me, which is why i'm trying to appeal to your intellect, and encourage you to read for yourself.

If you read HH, and you don't see blatant scum who is gagging to be lynched, then vote Greg. At least no-one will be able to say that you didn't weigh up both options carefully. If however, you see what i'm staring at now, then vote for HH. It would be great to eliminate 1 scumbag before we even use our actions.

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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:20 am

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Battle Mage wrote:
DeliciousGoldfish wrote:So you freakin' put us at deadlock?

The Greg had better die because he got to four first you mafioso Geddingsworth!

After everyone just posted how correct I was about the odds with us going in with a no lynch suck for the town!!!
omfg. Could you BE any more obvious in defending your scumbuddy?

Someone voting The Greg should quite clearly change to HH. or at least unvote, to give us time to reassess.

BM

@SirT- dont know what question you are on about...

Yup, cuz as the nurse I have a scumbuddy.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:39 am

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DeliciousGoldfish wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
DeliciousGoldfish wrote:So you freakin' put us at deadlock?

The Greg had better die because he got to four first you mafioso Geddingsworth!

After everyone just posted how correct I was about the odds with us going in with a no lynch suck for the town!!!
omfg. Could you BE any more obvious in defending your scumbuddy?

Someone voting The Greg should quite clearly change to HH. or at least unvote, to give us time to reassess.

BM

@SirT- dont know what question you are on about...

Yup, cuz as the nurse I have a scumbuddy.
rofl. thanks for curing my amnesia. In that case, i seriously reccommend you think a bit more about this. I'd rather NL than lynch Greg today i think.

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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:44 am

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Honary Hitchhiker wrote:
DeliciousGoldfish wrote:IMO someone needs to hammer someone. Because the odds don't bode well for us if we don't go into night one with a lynch of some sorts, bringing the odds down into the town's favor for the next day.

IE, if there are 9 players the odds are 2/9 of getting scum if there are 2 scum. If there's one lynch and one nk, even if neither are kills of scum, the odds are 2/7 the next day of getting scum which is far better than 2/9. Odds go from 20% chance to 30% chance approximately. Better than nothin!
QFT
Really? QFT?

Based SOLELY on this logic, we CERTAINLY don't want to hit a scum today because then tomorrow we'd have a 1/7 chance of hitting one, and that's only a 14% chance. We can't possibly withstand such a dramatic drop in odds of hitting scum.

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I'm ready to vote you, HH. Do you have anything else to add?
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:19 pm

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So distad, you want to lynch a townie today? riiiiiiiiiiiiight....

Okay.

Before I, or anyone else loses interest in the game, I am going to
unvote
and
vote Honary Hitchiker
. Because if HH does turn up town we know who to target.... Namely BM, who will owe a New York Bagel if HH turns up town. And we get another bagel if The Greg turns up scum.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:44 pm

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Final Votecount


Honary Hitchhiker (5) -- The Greg, curiouskarmadog, Battle Mage, Geddingsworth, DeliciousGoldfish

The Greg (1) -- Nelly 632
Battle Mage (1) -- Honary Hitchhiker

Not Voting (2) -- Sir Tornado, distad
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:44 pm

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You decide to string up Honary Hitchhiker. Dragging him quickly to the gallows, he was oddly quiet, and largely didn't defend himself from the oncoming attackers. After his death, you check his body, and find, to your horror, a medical practice certificate.


Honary Hitchhiker (Doctor) - Lynched Day 1!
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:47 pm

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It is now
Night 1
. Since I will have limited access starting on Saturday, I would appreciate it if all choices were handed to me by
Friday 19, 5pm EST.


If you haven't given me your choice by then, I will give you alternative instructions about what to do next. However, if you could complete them ASAP, I would be very grateful.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:00 am

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I still need one choice! Please get it in as soon as possible, and
send this to SHANBA.
I will have limited access for a while, so he will be taking over.
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:08 pm

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Sorry about the long night.

White
replaces The Greg.

48 hours is the deadline for remaining choices.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:41 pm

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It's morning.

After searching round for bodies, you find none, and counting your numbers, you realise there were no deaths. Everyone survived the night.

It is now Day 2. With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:47 pm

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excellent! Mass-claim time. We should probably go for a pop-corn style claim. :)

Oh and i think The Greg being replaced is a strong town tell. He was presumably the player Aimee was waiting for a choice from, thus he is not likely to be Mafia (as his buddies would have sent in the choice).

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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:48 pm

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oh yeah, and this is the game where i promised bagels. Please step forward and claim your bagel, and i'll put an IOU in my sig.

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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:42 am

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Jesus, I had to go look up who I protected...I actually forgot (which means I will need a huge reread of this game)..also I will need a refresher on the roles.

I protected Sir Tornado last night..

good point about Greg, I still wont rule him completely off, but there is no point in waiting for the greg if there are other mafia that could make a night kill.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:44 am

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curiouskarmadog wrote:Jesus, I had to go look up who I protected...I actually forgot (which means I will need a huge reread of this game)..also I will need a refresher on the roles.

I protected Sir Tornado last night..

good point about Greg, I still wont rule him completely off, but there is no point in waiting for the greg if there are other mafia that could make a night kill.
interesting. might i ask why you chose him?
Also, please choose who you want to claim next, in total, popcorn fashion :)

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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:49 am

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well, since you are on and posting, I will chose you BM, I will have to go back and reread the thread, I couldnt remember who I protected, so I really dont remember why..

go ahead BM you next.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:15 am

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okey doke. I protected DeliciousGoldfish last night. Reason being, her last post reeked of prior-knowledge (knowing that HH would turn up town).
in fact, she was even guilty of planning future lynches with the claim that once HH came up town, i was next to be lynched. I was hoping i would either be JK or Vig.

In fact, before i forget,
Vote: DeliciousGoldfish


Guess who i want to claim next? :lol: :roll:
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:51 am

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I protected DG, also.

DG is the claimed nurse, BM... and with no counterclaim, either. DG is a doctor now, but no one counterclaimed, so she's off limits, BM. Even if she TOTALLY missed the point of my pre-twilight post.

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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:35 am

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I protected CKD & as for a reason I cannot even tell you because it was probably random.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:45 am

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I protected DeliciousGoldfish, our nurse
FOS: BM
. This is the second time you have accused the confirmed nurse of being scum. I can accept once of being a mistake, but twice? For the same reason? Why?
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