Mini 1752: Back to December (Game Over)

MattP · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:32 pm

And the scumhunting I did in porochaz's game sucked and barely lasted

If you're going to meta me you can read the content of posts

MattP · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:37 pm

In post 72, TKoE wrote:Seems legit, guess he's totally Town guys! Pack it up!

You've never played with me before any know nothing about my play, why are you trying to discredit it? You've not even interacted with me or tried pursuing me up to this point

MattP · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:40 pm

I don't get why being self-aware of meta is always so taboo in games. If I think my town and scum games are highly distinguishable and I'm town why would I not point it out? Why do I need to be coy about it?

Elyse · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:17 pm

Because you can easily use self-meta to make yourself look town if you're aware of it.

MattP · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:32 pm

In post 78, Elyse wrote:Because you can easily use self-meta to make yourself look town if you're aware of it.

1) The meta I'm talking about is premised on my inability to do something as scum that I do as town, so even if I wanted to emulate my town play as scum my point is that I've failed to do so in all my games in over the past year probably 2
2) Even if that were true that wouldn't make it alignment indicative for someone to be aware of their meta

Equinox · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:00 am

Vote Count 1.03Aj The Epic (2) - MattP, Alchemist21
Alchemist21 (2) - Aj The Epic, Raskolnikov
Elyse (2) - petroleumjelly, Supreme Overlord
Supreme Overlord (2) - OceanWind, Elyse
MattP (1) - curiouskarmadog

Not Voting (2) - LlamaFluff, TKoE

With 11 votes in play, it will take 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, January 17, 2016, at 2:30 AM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-01-17 02:30:00).

TKoE · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:13 am

In post 76, MattP wrote:
In post 72, TKoE wrote:Seems legit, guess he's totally Town guys! Pack it up!

You've never played with me before any know nothing about my play, why are you trying to discredit it? You've not even interacted with me or tried pursuing me up to this point

Both of these points are true(though I did take the liberty to read a bit of everyone's previous content), however, that was some of the most blatant WIFOM'ing I've seen in my many years of playing and reading mafia. It doesn't actually mean I think you are Scum however, in fact I have no idea who is at this stage. It's just a laughable thing for you to have said.

In post 77, MattP wrote:I don't get why being self-aware of meta is always so taboo in games. If I think my town and scum games are highly distinguishable and I'm town why would I not point it out? Why do I need to be coy about it?

By all means, point it out. But ask yourself this, lets say you magically got much better at lying as a Scum player, would you perhaps consider doing precisely this to throw the scent off? I've not played with you, as you so rightly pointed out, so I can't be sure how many levels of meta you can express. Therefore it'd be a total waste of time to put any stock in your statement, the fact that you are so desperately defending it now though... That I can read plenty into, and I don't like what I'm reading.

VOTE: MattP

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:38 am

In post 73, Elyse wrote:
In post 68, MattP wrote:When I'm scum I don't say anything because I'm scared shitless. Look up my meta of the last year. It's not WIFOMy, it's like an actual serious phobia, I wouldn't be posting content if I were scum

I don't like this either. You seem too defensive.

Unvote

Too defensive? So what?

Elyse · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:21 am

Scum tend to be more defensive because they have something to hide.

MattP · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:13 am

Tkoe literally just said that what I posted wasn't scummy but explained why he couldn't use it to get a TOWNtell on me..and then voted me? How does that make sense?

MattP · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:55 am

In post 81, TKoE wrote:By all means, point it out. But ask yourself this,
lets say you magically got much better at lying as a Scum player, would you perhaps consider doing precisely this to throw the scent off?
I've not played with you, as you so rightly pointed out, so I can't be sure how many levels of meta you can express. Therefore it'd be a total waste of time to put any stock in your statement,
the fact that you are so desperately defending it now though... That I can read plenty into, and I don't like what I'm reading.

VOTE: TKOE

You're unfamiliar with my meta but grant me that I could truly a bad scum player but rationalize that I could be scum because I could have "magically got much better at lying" and am "desperately" defending myself bringing up meta. People are engaging me about the fact that I had brought up meta and criticizing its merit and calling it scummy - you expect me to not engage people about a reason they're scumreading me? How is that desperate? You're trying so hard to make me fit the bill for a scum read

Raskolnikov · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:37 am

I'm not so familiar with any of you so far, so I'll be ignoring meta and arguments about meta (which seem to comprise 90% of this thread) for the short term.

MattP keeps talking about himself rather than others, and I think the level of guardedness I feel from him is a bit unnecessary given only had an RVS vote on him for most of the game. OMGUS on tkoe doesn't help.
VOTE: Mattp

MattP · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:53 am

How is it OMGUS?

MattP · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:54 am

I feel like the word OMGUS should be made illegal

Alchemist21 · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:45 am

@Matt; why did you feel the need to bring up your self-meta when you did? It seems pretty unrelated to what CKD was saying about you.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:23 pm

In post 83, Elyse wrote:Scum tend to be more defensive because they have something to hide.

bullshit. that is also like saying over reacting is scummy. which is also bullshit.

vote Elyse.

I have seen scum use this way too many times to push bad wagons OR meaningless reason to get on/stay on a wagon. there is no way you really believe this. have you ever seen town be "too defensive"? the whole term itself is subjective.

this is your first scum.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:26 pm

In post 86, Raskolnikov wrote:, and I think the level of guardedness I feel from him is a bit unnecessary given

note to self: this is also bad....i just dont know if it is being new bad...or being scum bad.

Elyse · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:36 pm

Matt is a strong player I wouldn't expect to be so defensive.

MattP · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 89, Alchemist21 wrote:@Matt; why did you feel the need to bring up your self-meta when you did? It seems pretty unrelated to what CKD was saying about you.

It was in response to Elyse, and it wasn't a highly calculated transition. Elyse said I was caught as scum in a previous game, and the first place I went in my mind was, "Matt's scum game = X"

Alchemist21 · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:31 pm

^Slightly odd, but I can kinda see that coming from Town.

I'm not really sure what to think of Elyse at the moment. She seems to have more reasons for scumreading Matt than Overlord, but her vote's on Overlord. If Matt and SO are both Town, then at the moment Matt seems like the easier wagon for scum Elyse to join, and the only reason I can think of is that she doesn't want the backlash of joining an easy wagon, but then I think scum her would realize her reasons for being on SO are weaker and more open to scrutiny. I don't think scum her has a reason to play any WIFOM related to the situation at this point, and I can see Town making some of the points she's made, so for now I think she's Town. Elyse scum only makes sense to me if Matt is also scum, which I don't think is the case.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:37 pm

Its weird how much I agree with CKD right now.

Like the Rask vote a little more than Elyse since he is being a bit more coy in using the "overdefensive" false tell and is misusing OMGUS to seemingly try to force a vote. That and he didn't answer my first question about the odd timing of his vote.

Wouldn't have much of a problem moving here though.

OceanWind · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:46 pm

Sorry for the lack of posting guys. I'm feeling really sick and sweating at night, not sure what that means yet.

@Mod, I'll be V/LA for a couple of days.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:49 pm

In post 95, LlamaFluff wrote:Like the Rask vote a little more than Elyse since he is being a bit more coy in using the "overdefensive" false tell and is misusing OMGUS to seemingly try to force a vote. That and he didn't answer my first question about the odd timing of his vote.

No one has voted Rask, or are you just saying that it's the better of the two to go after?

Alchemist21 wrote:^Slightly odd, but I can kinda see that coming from Town.

Self-meta is pretty common town or scum. It's more a player-dependent thing on whether or not they do it.

I feel like scum-elyse is a shade-thrower over an active accuser. I think her post was more just wrong/lack of knowledge as opposed to scum.

VOTE: TkoE

The entire post just doesn't mesh well. Mostly what Matt has already stated, but the last line is a huge issue. "I don't like what I'm reading" isn't good enough, needs to have a reason and example behind it other than "yeah all of it p.much sucks".

MattP · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:50 pm

In post 96, OceanWind wrote:Sorry for the lack of posting guys. I'm feeling really sick and sweating at night, not sure what that means yet.

@Mod, I'll be V/LA for a couple of days.

Do u have a fever?

LlamaFluff · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:55 pm

In post 97, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 95, LlamaFluff wrote:Like the Rask vote a little more than Elyse since he is being a bit more coy in using the "overdefensive" false tell and is misusing OMGUS to seemingly try to force a vote. That and he didn't answer my first question about the odd timing of his vote.

No one has voted Rask, or are you just saying that it's the better of the two to go after?

Thought I had voted him in my first post

Vote Rask