Mini 1752: Back to December (Game Over)

OceanWind · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:00 pm

A few quick things off the top of my head - I have slight townreads on MattP and curiouskarmadog. Possibly petroleumjelly. Not a fan of most other posters but some of them have recent join dates and I'll sort through those when I get back.

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@Matt - Mind if I answer through PM since it has nothing to do with the game?

MattP · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:03 pm

That would be against the rules but if you do then you should see a foc because night sweats and fever can be bad

MattP · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:03 pm

OceanWind · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:05 pm

I don't have a fever. I ate something I had delivered from a restaurant and then felt nauseus for a couple of days and then the night sweats started. But yeah, I'll probably see a doc.

Elyse · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:38 pm

What post of mine is a lack of knowledge? The one where I called Matt over defensive?

Raskolnikov · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:06 pm

Gonna apologize just once for my inexperience. I'd have queued for more newbies instead but I'm unable to until I have a non-newbie game finished.

Yeah I misused OMGUS: I meant I didn't like his retaliation to TKOE /shrug

Is being over-defensive really not alignment indicative guys?

Equinox · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:00 pm

Vote Count 1.04Elyse (3) - petroleumjelly, Supreme Overlord, curiouskarmadog
MattP (2) - TKoE, Raskolnikov
Supreme Overlord (2) - OceanWind, Elyse
TKoE (2) - MattP, Aj The Epic
Aj The Epic (1) - Alchemist21
Raskolnikov (1) - LlamaFluff

Not Voting (0)

With 11 votes in play, it will take 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, January 17, 2016, at 2:30 AM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2016-01-17 02:30:00).

Moderator CommentsOceanWind is V/LA until January 7.

petroleumjelly · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:31 pm

1.)

Raskolnikov, please answer LlamaFluff's question in Post #47.

Your "impatience" is especially strange since in the

ten minutes

before your post there were three votes thrown down by three players.

2.)

Alchemist21, I find it

exceedingly

hard to believe you "concluded that MattP is Town" by Post #28 of the game. Why did you use this language in Post #55 to explain your switch in focus from MattP to Elyse?

3.)

In post 74, MattP wrote:
In post 69, petroleumjelly wrote:You made this argument at least once before as Town in a Blitz Game (Blitz 8.9), but you did so on Page 47. Why are you trying to make a similar argument here on Page 3?

This is a silly logical point. Why should I say it on page 47 and not on page 3?

No, it

is

the point. Your argument is that you lurk as scum and that you are not lurking in this game and therefore you are not scum. Page 3 is far too early to make a determination on whether you are prone to lurking in this game as opposed to page 47.

4.)

In post 105, Raskolnikov wrote:Is being over-defensive really not alignment indicative guys?

It can be.

5.)

Elyse, you can search a player's posts by going to their profile and clicking "Search user's posts."

MattP · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:39 pm

In post 107, petroleumjelly wrote:No, it is the point. Your argument is that you lurk as scum and that you are not lurking in this game and therefore you are not scum. Page 3 is far too early to make a determination on whether you are prone to lurking in this game as opposed to page 47.

So I guess we'll reconvene on page 47 and see if I'm still not lurking

MattP · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:41 pm

I'm liking petroleum's spiciness this game

Raskolnikov · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:51 pm

In post 107, petroleumjelly wrote:
1.)
Raskolnikov, please answer LlamaFluff's question in Post #47.

Your "impatience" is especially strange since in the
ten minutes
before your post there were three votes thrown down by three players.

It's actually funny. I was impatient because I thought the votes and gamestage wasn't that escalated/serious at the time, and later I found out I wrong about that!

Alchemist21 · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:18 pm

@pj; I'm not sure what you're asking. Is there a specific word choice you're curious about?

Supreme Overlord · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:24 pm

A little out of date:

AJ on Alchemist was weird/reaching but not necessarily scummy.
Curiouskarmadog's vote for MattP was bad, based only on the NK, page 1 vote, and meta. (Note: his play since then has been better; seems a more one-off thing.)

I wouldn't call Matt's appeal to meta too indicative of alignment (especially since his claimed town-meta is posting content, so if he stops, we lynch him for being scum, and if he continues, we've got

that

to judge him on). Though if he gets focussed only on meta and not this game content we have a problem.

In post 70, Elyse wrote:I didn't like SO's post because the question he asked Llama was pointless. It makes it look like he's being inquisitive and scumhunting when he's not.

Have you been inquisitive and scumhunting at all? If I'm being generous, I'd give you a couple of one-liners about Matt being defensive.

It's odd for TKoE to say he has 'no' idea who is scum at this stage; especially with a vote on Matt - either that's 'some idea' or the vote's not scum-related. It seems bet-hedging to me.

I have zero read on OceanWind (which unfortunately won't change anytime soon, it looks), though of course I don't like that he voted for me.

At this point I could believe Rask as newb-town.

Elyse · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:42 pm

^Scum post

Elyse · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:45 pm

He took basically no stances, basically gave Matt instructions on how to avoid being scumread by him, didn't address my point and tried to turn it around on me instead, tip-toes around a TKoE scumread by calling him "odd", says he "could believe" Rask is newbtown (means nothing). Just everything about that was scummy.

Supreme Overlord · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:37 pm

Sorry, what was your point I missed?

Elyse · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:44 pm

I said your question was pointless and only served to make it look like you were scumhunting. Instead of explaining why you asked the question or its relevance, you said I wasn't scumhunting either. It makes me believe I was right.

Supreme Overlord · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:10 pm

Oh, right. I don't know that there's too much to be gained by defending the question itself - it was early game and seems to be fairly widely considered fluffy/silly.
Anyway, at that point in the game it was mainly Matt and Alchemist arguing over the Marquis kill and the implications for a Llama vote. As I said, I didn't see the NK as having any impact on Llama's alignment, but I did want to use some of the content that was there instead of going off on an unrelated tangent. I was mainly wanted to register the expectation that Llama should be playing strong town. Possible outcomes included Llama responding to Matt making that declaration, or Llama

not

playing strong town, which should lead to Matt calling him out as scummy for it (or, if he doesn't, me calling Matt out for the contradiction).
So I wouldn't (and didn't) argue that it wasn't scumhunting as such (in terms of getting a direct read on alignment) - but I wouldn't say it was pointless; I was hoping to be able to use the information it generated.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:09 am

In post 112, Supreme Overlord wrote:

At this point I could believe Rask as newb-town.

curious, how do you define a "newb"(says the old man asking the "goon")

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:13 am

In post 92, Elyse wrote:Matt is a strong player I wouldn't expect to be so defensive.

I am a strong player and I am "defensive" all the time.

In post 90, curiouskarmadog wrote: have you ever seen town be "too defensive"? the whole term itself is subjective.

also noting the fact you did not address the above statement.

does anybody want to high five me now for catching scum, or should we just wait a bit? Either way, I will keep my hand warm.

MattP · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:14 am

I have some solid townreads considering it's only page 5

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:16 am

well dammit, might have spoke to soon...maybe

In post 114, Elyse wrote:He took basically no stances,.

this is actually a good point if not a true analysis of the post.

Elyse · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:17 am

I've played with Matt before and I haven't seen him be defensive.

I also thought the second part was rhetorical. Yes I have seen town be too defensive. It varies on a player by player basis. For Matt it's scummy to me.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:18 am

In post 120, MattP wrote:I have some solid townreads considering it's only page 5

who cares, the best scum look town.

I want to hear about those solid scum reads.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:21 am

In post 122, Elyse wrote:I've played with Matt before and I haven't seen him be defensive.

I also thought the second part was rhetorical. Yes I have seen town be too defensive. It varies on a player by player basis. For Matt it's scummy to me.

okay we can go down the vortex.

what about MattP's post(s) was too defensive? As I said, it is a subjective statement that scum tend to mend to their will. Sell me on this. Better yet, share me those games that you have played with him before where you have developed this opinion of him.