Newbie 1675: Resolution Mafia - GAME OVER!

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I imagine Calvary's miscount is because Spader voted when it was still Lowell in that slot. Not sure how long until Spader gets prodded?

[Accountant]

I think the benefits of forcing pignash out of his shell are worth the "maybe someone slips up and hammers a townie?"

[Accountant]

Just a friendly SE reminder, pignash is at L-1 meaning if anyone votes him he will instantly get lynched and the day will end. This is very very bad do not do it unless and until everyone is ready to end his life.

[pignash]

Going to unashamedly copy Bellaphant's reasoning here, that town read seemed a little too fast to come out. Especially with daytalk.

Why does the game having day talk affect your thinking here?

[pignash]

votes are on me because:

1. My predecessor handed out a town read too quickly (I agree that he did that, and I am less sure of Christopher than he was.)

and

2. I haven't posted very much yet. Big boss was at work yesterday and I didn't have the time I thought I was going to have after work. Sorry, but I am reading.

I don't have much to say regarding those otherwise. Wagon on me is interesting.

[Bellaphant]

Also a reminder to not talk about active ongoing games, pls. Will enagge with thread after nap

[fferyllt]

Flavor to come. . Laptop problems!

pignash

(4): Spader9, Accountant, Bellaphant, KickAssAndGiggle

Calvary

(1): Christopher

Spader9

(1): pignash

KickAssAndGiggle

(1): Drixx

Not Voting

(2): Calvary, Kosc

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[fferyllt]

Spader has been prodded.

[Drixx]

My vote changes from RVS to legit vote. Putting someone at L-1 and not asking them to claim or anything else is sort of pointless. There's no intent to hammer. It seems like KickAssAndGiggle is just going through the motions here.

I re-iterate my point that there is literally nobody opposing this wagon (except me, I suppose), and that is almost always a bad sign. The fact that literally nobody was opposing it is what makes me question it, and then that L-1 vote with the reasoning of "Well, I said I would vote in 24 hours if he didn't show up" while quoting him having showed up and said he was busy with work and would post later (which he did) ... that really rubs me wrong.

So yeah ... my vote isn't RVS anymore.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

An interesting theory.

I delayed the wagon, and only jumped on reluctantly due to pignash failing to post when he stated he would.

said he was busy with work and would post later (which he did)

He most certainly did not...don't know where you get that from.

Putting someone at L-1 and not asking them to claim or anything else

You think I should demand a claim on Day 1 just because he's L-1? What could he claim that wouldn't be anti-town? A genuine PR just gets a bullseye on his head despite having no info yet and a VT claim is about as much use as a chocolate teapot (because town won't read it either way, and if he IS VT, just makes it easier for scum to narrow down PR).

Claiming on D1 = last resort, when someone has declared they are prepared to hammer. Therefore, no point in me demanding a claim.

Regarding the

anything else

The reason is, as I feel you know, to pressure him to add content, so we can get reads. I think it is crucial that Spader also gets involved for this reason, but the "quick clear" by pignash's predecessor simply made this wagon easier to get rolling (not that I started it rolling mind, I joined it).

[Drixx]

Going to unashamedly copy Bellaphant's reasoning here, that town read seemed a little too fast to come out. Especially with daytalk.

Why does the game having day talk affect your thinking here?

votes are on me because:

1. My predecessor handed out a town read too quickly (I agree that he did that, and I am less sure of Christopher than he was.)

and

2. I haven't posted very much yet. Big boss was at work yesterday and I didn't have the time I thought I was going to have after work. Sorry, but I am reading.

I don't have much to say regarding those otherwise. Wagon on me is interesting.

Yep ... he totally didn't show up later and post.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Oh, so your definition of later includes "the next day".

Mine doesn't.

And by his own admission, he's reading but not posting...that's more suspicious than not being around at all...

You're defending him pretty hard...too hard.

[Drixx]

Oh ... you should be aware that cherry picking little pieces of someone's post is a really strong scum tell. If you cannot respond to the entirety of my post, which strings together multiple points to arrive at a conclusion, but instead have to cherry pick little pieces of it to try and make me look bad ... I think that sort of speaks for itself.

Even more so when one of your cherry picked things to try and make me look bad turns out to be flat wrong.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I've played enough mafia to know what a tell is, thanks.

I wasn't wrong...you even quoted pignash proving it:

I didn't have the time I thought I was going to have after work.

Nice try though!

[Drixx]

Oh, so your definition of later includes "the next day".

Mine doesn't.

And by his own admission, he's reading but not posting...that's more suspicious than not being around at all...

You're defending him pretty hard...too hard.

The next day is by definition later than the previous day. I'm not defending him: I'm attacking you (and the others on his wagon). You're literally prosecuting someone for an off hand comment that

another player

made. Nobody knows what Lowell was thinking or how serious his comment was. It could have been sarcasm, for all we know. The guy replaced out. How on earth does a new player on the slot defend himself from that? By definition, he's already giving the Amished tell by making the attempt.

It's a shit wagon driven for shit reasons putting a player in an impossible situation, and literally nobody stopped to wonder why there was no protest at all to the wagon until I got well enough to catch up and realized it was a shit wagon without any resistance. Alarm bells should be going off in any town player's head when they see a player wagoned for something a

different player

said, right at the start of the game, and literally nobody is even questioning it.

But you get the award for being the one who wants to make an issue of it. Thanks for biting.

[Calvary]

My vote changes from RVS to legit vote. Putting someone at L-1 and not asking them to claim or anything else is sort of pointless. There's no intent to hammer. It seems like KickAssAndGiggle is just going through the motions here.

I re-iterate my point that there is literally nobody opposing this wagon (except me, I suppose), and that is almost always a bad sign. The fact that literally nobody was opposing it is what makes me question it, and then that L-1 vote with the reasoning of "Well, I said I would vote in 24 hours if he didn't show up" while quoting him having showed up and said he was busy with work and would post later (which he did) ... that really rubs me wrong.

So yeah ... my vote isn't RVS anymore.

Who thinks that role claims now is a good idea? What town thinks that? We absolutely should not get a role claim from him now. How will that help anything when the majority of us don't even know the full setup? Furthermore, a role will be useless because he has done nothing to back up anything he could claim. You even think that he's more likely to be town because of the lack of opposition to his wagon (although would a scum member really be that worried when town are extremely unlikely to hammer early?) yet you still push with this obviously anti-town plan of role claiming early.

The main reason he's up there is because of one slip that his predecessor made. Yeah sure, he might be scum, his posts have not been spectacular, but the current argument against him is piss-poor if we're looking to lynch. Nobody has even bothered to question him further or engage with him to try and glean more clues about his alignment.

I'm suspicious that people want role claims this early...on Day 1, nonetheless. Seems like scum trying to TPR-hunt to me.

VOTE: Drixx

[Drixx]

I've played enough mafia to know what a tell is, thanks.

I wasn't wrong...you even quoted pignash proving it:

I didn't have the time I thought I was going to have after work.

Nice try though!

And yet he still came and posted as promised. You are literally prosecuting the guy for having a real life now? Seriously?

Drop the snark. It's not at all helpful and it will just end up escalating. Cherry picking is scummy, so don't do it.

Since you claim to know so much about tells, please explain to the game what the Amished Tell is and why it's important to the current discussion. Bonus points if you realize why it completely destroys any way to read Pignash based upon what Lowell posted. I'll wait.

[Drixx]

My vote changes from RVS to legit vote. Putting someone at L-1 and not asking them to claim or anything else is sort of pointless. There's no intent to hammer. It seems like KickAssAndGiggle is just going through the motions here.

I re-iterate my point that there is literally nobody opposing this wagon (except me, I suppose), and that is almost always a bad sign. The fact that literally nobody was opposing it is what makes me question it, and then that L-1 vote with the reasoning of "Well, I said I would vote in 24 hours if he didn't show up" while quoting him having showed up and said he was busy with work and would post later (which he did) ... that really rubs me wrong.

So yeah ... my vote isn't RVS anymore.

Who thinks that role claims now is a good idea? What town thinks that? We absolutely should not get a role claim from him now. How will that help anything when the majority of us don't even know the full setup? Furthermore, a role will be useless because he has done nothing to back up anything he could claim. You even think that he's more likely to be town because of the lack of opposition to his wagon (although would a scum member really be that worried when town are extremely unlikely to hammer early?) yet you still push with this obviously anti-town plan of role claiming early.

The main reason he's up there is because of one slip that his predecessor made. Yeah sure, he might be scum, his posts have not been spectacular, but the current argument against him is piss-poor if we're looking to lynch. Nobody has even bothered to question him further or engage with him to try and glean more clues about his alignment.

I'm suspicious that people want role claims this early...on Day 1, nonetheless. Seems like scum trying to TPR-hunt to me.

VOTE: Drixx

Nice mis-rep. I said that putting someone at L-1 and then not asking for a claim or putting any pressure on them is pointless. You seem to agree with me since you said "Nobody has even bothered to question him or further engage with him..."

But thanks for making it easy. Heat get a little too hot on your partner KickAssAndGiggle, did it?

[Drixx]

EbWoP: I could quote from literally hundreds, if not thousands, of completed games the same exact thing: Someone gets put at L-1, then someone applies pressure by stating intent to hammer and the person is asked to claim and defend. That's site meta. You've been here for all of two weeks so perhaps you weren't aware. Do try and actually read what I'm saying though. When you are blatantly taking someone's comments out of context and mutilating what they say in order to mangle it into what you want it to say so you can vote them ... you're probably not being honest in your approach.

[Drixx]

I'll wait while you two talk in the scum PT about how to counter my points. How about I give you awhile?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Puh-lease.

Pushing someone to L-1 to get them to post some real content is a staple day 1 maneuver. And, for my money, no

slot

has made themselves more deserving than that one (even though it wasn't pignash). But that's no excuse: you sub in, you take the hand you've been dealt.

As far as attacking me goes, you are attacking me for jumping on a wagon in day 1. Most players, town or scum, do similar in most games. A tell? Do me a favor.

But thanks for making it easy. Heat get a little too hot on your partner KickAssAndGiggle, did it?

As your reasons on me are

BEYOND

feeble, and you seem desperate to avoid pignash getting lynched, and for some reason you have decided the person on the wagon who actually said "slow it down" is the person to attack, I have a strong reason to:

FOS:Drixx

[Calvary]

My vote changes from RVS to legit vote. Putting someone at L-1 and not asking them to claim or anything else is sort of pointless. There's no intent to hammer. It seems like KickAssAndGiggle is just going through the motions here.

I re-iterate my point that there is literally nobody opposing this wagon (except me, I suppose), and that is almost always a bad sign. The fact that literally nobody was opposing it is what makes me question it, and then that L-1 vote with the reasoning of "Well, I said I would vote in 24 hours if he didn't show up" while quoting him having showed up and said he was busy with work and would post later (which he did) ... that really rubs me wrong.

So yeah ... my vote isn't RVS anymore.

Who thinks that role claims now is a good idea? What town thinks that? We absolutely should not get a role claim from him now. How will that help anything when the majority of us don't even know the full setup? Furthermore, a role will be useless because he has done nothing to back up anything he could claim. You even think that he's more likely to be town because of the lack of opposition to his wagon (although would a scum member really be that worried when town are extremely unlikely to hammer early?) yet you still push with this obviously anti-town plan of role claiming early.

The main reason he's up there is because of one slip that his predecessor made. Yeah sure, he might be scum, his posts have not been spectacular, but the current argument against him is piss-poor if we're looking to lynch. Nobody has even bothered to question him further or engage with him to try and glean more clues about his alignment.

I'm suspicious that people want role claims this early...on Day 1, nonetheless. Seems like scum trying to TPR-hunt to me.

VOTE: Drixx

Nice mis-rep. I said that putting someone at L-1 and then not asking for a claim or putting any pressure on them is pointless. You seem to agree with me since you said "Nobody has even bothered to question him or further engage with him..."

But thanks for making it easy. Heat get a little too hot on your partner KickAssAndGiggle, did it?

You ignore half of my post to make a defensive reply, which is similar to how you're responding to KAAG. You conveniently ignore the fact that none of my post made any reference to your spat with KAAG in an attempt to discredit me. Do you have any evidence that I'm scum with KAAG aside from having me vote you over a separate issue that I had with your post?

There are a million other ways of applying pressure and determining wherever someone is town without resorting to role claims (which I almost-always see done near the end of the day). I personally never role claim on Day 1. The fact that you considered it as an option this easily is lazy and doesn't take into account anything else but what role they claimed, as if that is the only thing you care about.

Can you kindly explain how wanting a role claim (you considered it in your response) is helpful to town? Preferably without being snarky about it.

[Drixx]

It's like smacking my head against a wall here. I'm saying that there's literally nothing being accomplished. Great ... Pignash is at L-1. Now what? Nobody is applying any pressure.

How can anyone apply pressure? How can Pignash speak for Lowell? It's the very definition of the Amished tell for him to even try. So he's being wagoned for something he literally cannot at all defend. He can't possibly articulate anything about his predecessor's thoughts. Beyond that, being wagoned for town reading a dyed in the wool newbie for asking a theory question is pretty weak in the first place. And all of that comes before the fact that not one person in the game stopped to wonder why nobody was bothered by a super weak wagon rolling for a page 1 comment in RVS.

What we have here is a weak town who isn't plugged in or evaluating the game as a whole, at all, combined with scum in control. That's a bad combination. If you're town, kindly re-assess your priors and help me get something productive done. There's literally nothing else to do with Pignash at this point other than lynch him or move on. He's given the only answer he can give for the wagon on him. My personal approach in situations like this is to let the replacement player get his feet under him. What he does will tell us what we need to know. If he just lurks and tries to avoid being lynched ... then he's either bad town or scum. If he gets engaged in the game and moves beyond trying to defend the indefensible, then he might be town.

It's simply absurd to be focusing the entire game on a single comment made by a player no longer in the game. It's seriously time to move on.

Unless you have some other reason to push him?

[Drixx]

My vote changes from RVS to legit vote. Putting someone at L-1 and not asking them to claim or anything else is sort of pointless. There's no intent to hammer. It seems like KickAssAndGiggle is just going through the motions here.

I re-iterate my point that there is literally nobody opposing this wagon (except me, I suppose), and that is almost always a bad sign. The fact that literally nobody was opposing it is what makes me question it, and then that L-1 vote with the reasoning of "Well, I said I would vote in 24 hours if he didn't show up" while quoting him having showed up and said he was busy with work and would post later (which he did) ... that really rubs me wrong.

So yeah ... my vote isn't RVS anymore.

Who thinks that role claims now is a good idea? What town thinks that? We absolutely should not get a role claim from him now. How will that help anything when the majority of us don't even know the full setup? Furthermore, a role will be useless because he has done nothing to back up anything he could claim. You even think that he's more likely to be town because of the lack of opposition to his wagon (although would a scum member really be that worried when town are extremely unlikely to hammer early?) yet you still push with this obviously anti-town plan of role claiming early.

The main reason he's up there is because of one slip that his predecessor made. Yeah sure, he might be scum, his posts have not been spectacular, but the current argument against him is piss-poor if we're looking to lynch. Nobody has even bothered to question him further or engage with him to try and glean more clues about his alignment.

I'm suspicious that people want role claims this early...on Day 1, nonetheless. Seems like scum trying to TPR-hunt to me.

VOTE: Drixx

Nice mis-rep. I said that putting someone at L-1 and then not asking for a claim or putting any pressure on them is pointless. You seem to agree with me since you said "Nobody has even bothered to question him or further engage with him..."

But thanks for making it easy. Heat get a little too hot on your partner KickAssAndGiggle, did it?

You ignore half of my post to make a defensive reply, which is similar to how you're responding to KAAG. You conveniently ignore the fact that none of my post made any reference to your spat with KAAG in an attempt to discredit me. Do you have any evidence that I'm scum with KAAG aside from having me vote you over a separate issue that I had with your post?

There are a million other ways of applying pressure and determining wherever someone is town without resorting to role claims (which I almost-always see done near the end of the day). I personally never role claim on Day 1. The fact that you considered it as an option this easily is lazy and doesn't take into account anything else but what role they claimed, as if that is the only thing you care about.

Can you kindly explain how wanting a role claim (you considered it in your response) is helpful to town? Preferably without being snarky about it.

Let's try this again: I. Didn't. Ask. For. A. Role. Claim.

I said that putting someone at L-1 and not applying further pressure {intent to vote, asking for claim, asking for defense, etc..} is pointless. And it is pointless. It's doubly pointless in this case because just the act of trying to defend what a predecessor on your slot said or did is by definition viewed as a scum tell. So we have a wagon at L-1 right now on a player who literally cannot say anything at all to stop the wagon. How on earth is that productive?

We're not even 100 posts into the game, and instead of exploring the various things that people said in RVS and having different lines of communication, we're really going to sit and pick at on off hand read made by a player who replaced out? That's the best we can do?

Come on now.

[Calvary]

I don't know why you are acting like I think pignash's lynch is a good thing. I literally said that I agree that pignash's case is dumb, as you noted yourself. I'm one of the few people who is doing something that isn't focused on pignash. I'd make some suggestions as to what to do to get more intel from them, but you know more than I do so I won't embarrass myself there.

tl;dr, I agree with you about pignash, I just don't like the way you're doing it. Your post is just dismissing the entire town (despite knowing a lot of us are new to this site?) and getting worked up over a small deal. Seeing as you are experienced, I am skeptical that you are actually as irritated as you are making yourself out to be. Unless you have a link to a game of yours where you were town and acted in a similar manner, I'm inclined to think it's fake-outrage from you.

People getting angry/ passionate too easily is considered a scumtell around here, right?