UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

[Elbirn]

That's...logically sound but possibly game breaking? And thus unacceptable to the mod?

Like that's either 2 clears with one dream (if you're town) or one guaranteed dead scum (if you're scum)

[zMuffinMan]

i am pretty sure the dream has to target a single player. it works a lot easier if you can say something like what i suggested d1: "target X, if X is town do Y, if X is scum make X die"

dunno if that's a possible dream

anyway, gonna at least pretend i'm reading stuff while i eat

also, i spose i must now honour the pact

- sir roleplay-sama's bitch

[Firebringer]

Hey Fire, I think I have a solution that will make everyone happy

I dream that if LH is town, that Davesto gets a Desperado. If LH is scum, LH gets a desperado. :nod:

I don't think that works out.

[Learned Hand]

@Zmuffin,

So like,

"I dream that if LH is town, they get a one use bulletproof vest and their pm is posted publicly but if they're scum, they die."

Totally down with that. That's my original idea but people are all like MURDER MURDER MURDER

[RolePlay25]

For fucks sake.

Dave gets desperado. Done. Titus is dragging this out because the result of that action is her corpse in thread.

Firebringer, submit the fucking action.

[Learned Hand]

For fucks sake.

Dave gets desperado. Done. Titus is dragging this out because the result of that action is her corpse in thread.

Firebringer, submit the fucking action.

You scum or something?

Seriously, I'd be scum with my method too.

My method gets Jeanne tracker results (although she still doesn't understand that).

[Learned Hand]

Your method kills Davesto.

My method kills no one and Jeanne can catch scum.

Win: My method.

[Elbirn]

Jeanne doesn't have anything to do with this.

[Davsto]

Learned Hand, why are you so scared of me shooting you with a Desperado?

[Davsto]

Like, if you're town, you shouldn't give a fuck. You get conftown status, a nonvoter dies, everybody wins.

[Learned Hand]

Like, if you're town, you shouldn't give a fuck. You get conftown status, a nonvoter dies, everybody wins.

Wrong. I ain't scared of shit. I'm trying to be optimal here.

Once we confirm me as town, Jeanne can be healed AND get a result. If I'm dead, Jeanne cannot be healed and get a Desperado result.

If Firebringer dreams that I get a bulletproof vest, Jeanne can get two guaranteed investigations off. If we dream a Desperado to you, then Jeanne gets one guaranteed investigation.

[Davsto]

I'd rather town essentially get two kills today, with the first definitely hitting either me or scum, and potentially strongarming scum into killing me tonight if I survive, than us only getting the one lynch and letting a Tracker (the most powerful and useful role in a fucking Role Madness game, as we all know /s) get a couple of shots off

But that's just my thinking

[Learned Hand]

I'd rather town essentially get two kills today, with the first definitely hitting either me or scum, and potentially strongarming scum into killing me tonight if I survive, than us only getting the one lynch and letting a Tracker (the most powerful and useful role in a fucking Role Madness game, as we all know /s) get a couple of shots off

But that's just my thinking

Why are you so desperate to die?

You can die tomorrow. There's no point in killing a universally townread slot when we can keep using the dreams to confirm or dispel actually scummy people.

Living confirmed town is a hell of a lot better than dead confirmed town.

If we go the desperado route, I'd rather give it to someone who town actually thinks may be scum than you.

~Titus

[Learned Hand]

Still vesting me is a much better option so that Jeanne can confirm some scum or we can actually confirm or dispel Jeanne's results.

~Titus

[Davsto]

I'm not desperate to die, because the desperado shot will kill you.

[Learned Hand]

I'm not desperate to die, because the desperado shot will kill you.

Even if you think that's the case, wouldn't it be better to force the dilemma onto scum?

P.S. I'm not going to die.

You'd literally be throwing your life in the game away for your stupid tunnel vision. It's not like I'd be living if I was scum if we used my plan anyway. I'm not scum but damn you are so tunnel vision here you're making suboptimal moves regardless of your alignment.

[Davsto]

Did you miss the part where this is a sort of test?

Last time we tried to give someone a desperado shot, it failed. This is an attempt to successfully make a desperado rather than a vigilante.

If we want to force the dilemma onto scum, and then it turns out the wording wasn't right/the mod won't let us, we've just given a scum a day vigilante.
If we give it to me and accidentally give me a day vigilante rather than desperado, no harm done.

[Learned Hand]

Yeah, there's a huge harm done.

Jeanne gets

zero

investigations for the rest of the game. Scum can just block her or kill her. That's also you lose me, my VCA, and my ability to unify town (once my reads are right).

There's next to no downside to delaying said test 1 day, confirming me as town and THEN doing your test.

[Cerberus v666]

Did you miss the part where this is a sort of test?

Last time we tried to give someone a desperado shot, it failed. This is an attempt to successfully make a desperado rather than a vigilante.

If we want to force the dilemma onto scum, and then it turns out the wording wasn't right/the mod won't let us, we've just given a scum a day vigilante.
If we give it to me and accidentally give me a day vigilante rather than desperado,

no harm done.

Except for the part where this time, scum know in advance who we're shooting, so if firebringer isn't aligned with the town and LH is, he can deliberately give you a non desperado gun, guaranteeing a free town death.

Also, remember, still waiting till everyone has had a chance to check in to make sure nobody did claims any roleblocking.

LH: firebringer could just die tonight. :p that's a reason to not delay. Creating another likely town slot with a gun forces scum into anot her bad choice. I still disagree with shooting you, but that is a point that shouldn't be ignored.

[Learned Hand]

Did you miss the part where this is a sort of test?

Last time we tried to give someone a desperado shot, it failed. This is an attempt to successfully make a desperado rather than a vigilante.

If we want to force the dilemma onto scum, and then it turns out the wording wasn't right/the mod won't let us, we've just given a scum a day vigilante.
If we give it to me and accidentally give me a day vigilante rather than desperado,

no harm done.

Except for the part where this time, scum know in advance who we're shooting, so if firebringer isn't aligned with the town and LH is, he can deliberately give you a non desperado gun, guaranteeing a free town death.

Also, remember, still waiting till everyone has had a chance to check in to make sure nobody did claims any roleblocking.

LH: firebringer could just die tonight. :p that's a reason to not delay. Creating another likely town slot with a gun forces scum into anot her bad choice. I still disagree with shooting you, but that is a point that shouldn't be ignored.

Sure if Firebringer dies, anyone who claims jailkeeper gets roasted over a fucking fire for not jailing Firebringer.

Anyway, I need sleep.

l8r.

[Davsto]

There's next to no downside

A scum stays alive a day longer, meaning that anyone with an alibi for where they go tonight can't be cleared?

[Davsto]

Jeanne gets zero investigations for the rest of the game.

I hate to say it but... she's a Tracker. In a Role Madness game where a good half of the players will be targeting someone, and the chance that they'll target the scum's target is surprisingly high. Honestly, not that useful to make sure the action always happens.

That's also you lose me, my VCA, and my ability to unify town (once my reads are right).

You really overestimate how much I think of your town play, Titus.

[Learned Hand]

There's next to no downside

A scum stays alive a day longer, meaning that anyone with an alibi for where they go tonight can't be cleared?

No. I'm not scum. So I don't see how any scum live a day longer, only more town corpses. Lay out how scum lives a day longer.

[RolePlay25]

Your method kills Davesto.

My method kills no one and Jeanne can catch scum.

Win: My method.

We already agreed davsto had such a bad role his death is a win for the town.

You have nothing to offer us. Dayplay and night play condemns you.

[Jeanne11]

Well, I've returned. And they're right.