Blitz 19 | Fire and Ice with Rooms | Endgame

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.14

lynching

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

PhantomCobalt

(L-2): startfromtheheart, itlepip, Flubbernugget,

Radiant Moonlight

, lane0168, rkvothe

startfromtheheart

(L-3): Political Clout, Ranger, Peptobislawl, hiplop

hiplop

(L-6): Firebringer

Radiant Moonlight

(L-6): pignash

Peptobislawl

(L-6): Radiant Moonlight

itlepip

(L-7): hiplop

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get a room

It takes 2n-1 votes to get an n person room. (3 votes for a 2 person room, 5 votes for a 3 person room, ... , 13 votes for a 7 person room)

everybody

(R-?): nobody

Not voting

(13): Firebringer, flubbernugget, hiplop, lane0168, Political Clout, startfromtheheart, PhantomCobalt, Peptobislawl, Ranger, pignash, Radiant Moonlight, rkvothe, itlepip

People eligible for rooms

(8): hiplop, itlepip, lane0168, Peptobislawl, pignash, Political Clout, rkvothe, startfromtheheart

Post restrictions (can vote, can't talk about each other in public)

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• Flubbernugget, PhantomCobalt, Ranger (expired on 2016-01-20 09:35:00)
  
• Firebringer, Radiant Moonlight (expired on 2016-01-20 18:30:00)

Infractions:

• Flubbernugget [1/3]
  
• PhantomCobalt [3/3]

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[Radiant Moonlight]

PC honey I'm not townreading you and am pretty effing far from it.

I'm just trying to see if I can get Ranger and myself on the same wagon.

[PhantomCobalt]

PC honey I'm not townreading you and am pretty effing far from it.

I'm just trying to see if I can get Ranger and myself on the same wagon.

Blackmailing is bad, it brings too much emotion into the game

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Phantom

lmk if you want to actually lynch scum Ranger.

Blackmailing is bad, it brings too much emotion into the game

wtf is this supposed to even mean?

and how is emotion bad? reading people's emotions is far more reliable than playing walls & cases.

why don't you percolate along you little java bean.

[Peptobislawl]

See that's why I think that you're scum though.

What does it

mean

that I'm 'blackmailing' Ranger?

Does it mean that I'm scum? Does it mean that I'm wrong?

Shouldn't you be trying to convince me that I'm misguided instead of passively commenting on my methods?

Well i mean you are blackmailing him, "Do as i say or ill kill that guy you like"

Second, i'm pointing out a somewhat shady method. It's not enough for a scumread on it's own but i don't like it.

Third, can you elaborate on your scumread on me? I know you've pointed to some posts but this is the first time you've had some reasons for it.

I don't know what this proof ranger has that phantom is town but i want to hear it before deciding about phantom. Start has been unhelpful from the, well start, so i consider him a decent lynch for D1. even if he's not scum, he's dead weight so far and that hurts town.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Well i mean you are blackmailing him, "Do as i say or ill kill that guy you like"

Second, i'm pointing out a somewhat shady method. It's not enough for a scumread on it's own but i don't like it.

If I point out several town games where I've said similar games will you that influence your thinking at all?

Third, can you elaborate on your scumread on me? I know you've pointed to some posts but this is the first time you've had some reasons for it.

You talk like you think like scum.

I don't know what this proof ranger has that phantom is town but i want to hear it before deciding about phantom. Start has been unhelpful from the, well start, so i consider him a decent lynch for D1. even if he's not scum, he's dead weight so far and that hurts town.

Are you Phantom's scumbuddy?

[Peptobislawl]

Well i mean you are blackmailing him, "Do as i say or ill kill that guy you like"

Second, i'm pointing out a somewhat shady method. It's not enough for a scumread on it's own but i don't like it.

If I point out several town games where I've said similar games will you that influence your thinking at all?

I don't personally like it, but if it's normal for you then welp. that's why it wasn't enough for a scumread.

I don't know what this proof ranger has that phantom is town but i want to hear it before deciding about phantom. Start has been unhelpful from the, well start, so i consider him a decent lynch for D1. even if he's not scum, he's dead weight so far and that hurts town.

Are you Phantom's scumbuddy?

I would think Ranger would be the more likely scumbuddy in a scum phantom situation, but maybe that's just me. If ranger really has no good reason to clear Phantom that's two likely scum right there. and if he does, thats two likely town there.

[lane0168]

If he's serious, I'd put him on a scum lean. If he's just throwing stuff out there, it's null

This doesn't make any sense to me

Idk how to put it any more clearly

Pro town thing to do is get out of rvs asap

A serious vote does that

Just throwing stuff out there for that sake of throwing it out there comes off as filler to me

Lane when you're off v/la your input on this would be appreciated

Sorry been a few days so I'm trying to remember where my head was at.

What I meant was if he was serious about his reads, that includes me and Ranger as being scum but he unvited ranger. If he wasn't then he was possibly reaction fishing or just throwing filler. That's why that's null to me.

I understand you're probably way past this but I'm catching up

[Peptobislawl]

Timeline's coming up, lane.
might want to go to the end and work backwards

[lane0168]

Too easy for scum to hop on while giving no reasons. Look, he's at L-3 with not much reasoning behind the votes.

This is a good point!

How?

Literally every post of yours is filled with scum motivation.

Get a room: PhantomCobalt, Ranger, Flubbernugget

While I realize the value of having a room to share reads, I must decline: time spent in a room is time spent not in-thread, and I feel my presence is absolutely required in order to get a lane lynch in.

I really hope I find a better answer than that bs excuse of a scum read explanation

[Radiant Moonlight]

I don't personally like it, but if it's normal for you then welp. that's why it wasn't enough for a scumread.

I feel like if you were town you'd be a lot less laissez-faire about it.

I would think Ranger would be the more likely scumbuddy in a scum phantom situation, but maybe that's just me. If ranger really has no good reason to clear Phantom that's two likely scum right there. and if he does, thats two likely town there.

This is a really weird post. What's your reads on Phantom and Ranger?

[Peptobislawl]

My reads on Phantom and Ranger are that it will be really easy to sort them D2 and Start's been scummy enought that i can put off dealing them until more information is public.

As for seeming too Laissez-faire, it was always more of an "I've got my eye on you" type thing. I didn't think it was serious on it's own.

[Radiant Moonlight]

But why, though?

Do you understand why I feel like scumhunting is not a huge priority for you?

[Peptobislawl]

Well the reason i'm doing what i'm doing is because i can get 2 name either on or off my scumlist just by lynching a lesser scumread D1, so not really. I don't really see a downside to waiting on ranger from a town perspective. Do you?

[Radiant Moonlight]

So you're saying that you both

1) implicitly trust that Ranger's alignment is town

and

2) implicitly trust Ranger's judgement?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Like you're using Ranger as your excuse to not vote Phantom.

That doesn't sit well with me at all.

[Peptobislawl]

So you're saying that you both

1) implicitly trust that Ranger's alignment is town

and

2) implicitly trust Ranger's judgement?

I don't

trust

his alignment so much as i believe it will be easy to

find

his alignment come D2. As for his judgement, well it all depends on what his reasons actually are.

My real 2 main points are:

-More information is better for scumhunting

-It's an easy lynch tomorrow if its BS

[Radiant Moonlight]

What if Ranger is town but Phantom is scum?
What if Ranger is scum but Phantom is town?

Your play has so many assumptions inherent in it that it makes me strongly suspect that you don't want Phantom getting lynched for reasons you're not telling.

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Since no one is doing Pepto, let's get this shit done.

[Peptobislawl]

What if Ranger is town but Phantom is scum?

Worst case scenario. We'll prbably end up lynching both of them but 1 for 1 is a bad trade for scum.

What if Ranger is scum but Phantom is town?

Scum trying to protect town to look good and get a doc on him to save him from the other scumteam. I could see it. I think Ranger probably wouldn't get away with this though, he kinda promised the moon and the stars so not delivering would be a good reason for a lynch. The hard part is proving Phantom innocent after. may end up being another 1 for 1.

All i want is more data to decide with.

[Radiant Moonlight]

You're again making so many assumptions.

Why are you assuming that Town!Ranger will be able to sway the crowd but ONLY if Phantom is scum?
Why are you assuming that Scum!Ranger won't be able to regardless of Phantom's alignment?

And why do I get the feeling that you want to lynch Ranger first either way?

[Peptobislawl]

And why do i get the feeling that we're the only ones around?

VOTE: GETAROOM:pepto,Radiant
whadda ya say?

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[Radiant Moonlight]

I am here. Reading now. I am going to hate restrictions but they'll help me as a player. Highlights from players are helpful. If you townread our slot, feel free to reach out. :nod:

~Titus

[Peptobislawl]

oh yeah this is a hydra.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ok, pepto, your reads atm.