Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

[Antihero]

nope, spiffeh is just being a derp

[Mad King Ashnard]

Get your hydra partner to explain the townreads he's throwing out completely unsubstantiated.

[pieguyn]

votecount 1.4

talah (4) - hiplop, Ranger, Trebuchet MS, PhantomCobalt

Scatterplot (3) - Expedience, Mad King Ashnard, Sakura Hana
PhantomCobalt (3) - KTthecreeper, Antihero, Wisdom
Sakura Hana (2) - talah, Ankamius

Not voting (1) - Scatterplot

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is January 24, 2:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2016-01-24 02:00:00).

[Ankamius]

Occam's razor would say that I didn't think your vote on me was scummy or worth pressuring and I found other reasons to pressure you later on.

That's a pretty elaborate explanation for something you're calling Occam's razor.

It's a hell of a lot simpler than me waiting until your focus is off of me to accept your engage on me and pull your focus back onto me like you are claiming.

[talah]

There is a definitively weird association with sakura and talah, and I really REALLY think talah is scum.

Well you're wrong on the second. I'm not really sure about Sakura yet.
The "meh" on me seems okayish at this stage but I do tend to try to get a read on her fairly quickly (at least historically) so that could be stalling so she can go either way depending on where I end up.

Also what's with your assertion that Sakura an I don't know each other? Is that the basis of your scumread on me?
We've played a bunch of games together, but only one semi-recently before this.

So you, sir, appear to be trying to reinforce a bad read with bad assumptions.

So my problem with talah is that talah got in the way of sakura and wisdom. and my problem with you is that you're getting in the way of me and phantom by being impatient and demanding answers NOW NOW NOW when I will explain my reads when i'm ready. I'm not going to lynch anybody based on unexplained reads, I'm not going to derail a wagon with unexplained reads, but i'm not going to explain reads that are still in progress.

There's really not much to "get in the way of" considering Wisdom's vote was naked.
I was reasonably okay with his response, wagons are good and so now I get to see how the both of them interact.


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Now I get to catch up :'( skimmed up to about the above quote this morning.

Oh by the way

@Ether

- why wouldn't I vote you?

What, with talah? Talah won't vote me.

-Ether

I'd take that as a challenge but mostly it's a baffling statement.

[Trebuchet MS]

Get your hydra partner to explain the townreads he's throwing out completely unsubstantiated.

Other than his scumread on Expedience that I disagree with, there's not much there that I'm too concerned with at this stage. I think you're just going to have to deal with him having opinions.

Also, the specific brand of "substantiation" you seek is extremely overrated in this particular climate.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

i meant :), not , sorry

[Antihero]

hey marquis

i have a new secret scumread

you wanna' guess who it is?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hello friends. The pace of this game is a little overwhelming for me but I will try to be involved.

Aside for scatterplot who I trust my partners judgement on I am finding

wisdom

to be a scummy character. I feel his attempt to label us vs scatterplot as TvT so readily is trying to stifle discussion and dismiss legitimate reasons as tunneling. He asks plenty of questions but takes few actual stances aside from handing out townreads like candy. He votes Phantom for as the third vote in his wagon with no reason given and hasn't said anything about him. I know Phantom from one of my games is a troll player and easily mislynched/policied so I really don't like running him up for no reason. Going for the easy wagon without reason or commitment, along with trying to silence actual discussions and exchanges is anti town play as far as I am concerned.

The talah wagon is garbage based entirely on her voting sakura, presumably based on wisdom saying "produces reactions when poked". Surely you can find something better this many posts in. Personally I like her latest catchup post.

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[talah]

Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.

Because talah understood I was voting Sakura to poke her for reactions yet not only felt the need to mention it, he asked me why I was voting her on top of that.

It's kind of rich to say I "understood" something when actually I took a guess based on you making a naked vote against Sakura.
Actually all I understood was that Sakura can get emotional, fast, and you tend to not give a crap about that if you're scum.

So I wanted to know how you were approaching things and it's as good a topic as any to push out of RVS.

[Wisdom]

Ashnard town confirmed. Typical new player in their first game with me.

[Wisdom]

and you tend to not give a crap about that if you're scum.

Where did you understand that from?

[Antihero]

The talah wagon is garbage based entirely on her voting sakura, presumably based on wisdom saying "produces reactions when poked". Surely you can find something better this many posts in. Personally I like her latest catchup post.

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what the fuck?

[PhantomCobalt]

I agree Ashnard is town. I think I've found something that no ones commented on yet but I will explore that later

[Sakura Hana]

Only now ppl are starting to see that ashnard is town?

[Scatterplot]

Oh and FYI here's a quote from 1750.

the Elsa head would be easy enough to read because she's a fairly new player

So literally the exact same logic is being used, except they didn't end up being able to push on us because we were obvtown until we ate into most of our towncred trying to figure out why Shos wasn't getting lynched.

I wasn't going to use that to push you. I was going to use it to townread frozen when she didn't do some of the markers i have for her scumgame. But that was my first time playing with Frozen and I'd just spectated her games previously. I have played with Rask I just can't talk about it yet.

I also, in general, find newer players easier to read than experienced ones.

The reason I didn't push...pretty much anybody at all actually...was because of health stuff. But you're cherry picking a very tiny quote from a much longer post of my page 3 reads and early thoughts on the gamestate which I wasn't being cagey about at all hmmmmm. It's almost like I can fake a coherent town thought process as scum if I want to and that's not why i'm being cagey here!

if it weren't for the health stuff, there would have been a lot more of that, eventually consolidating into some sort of coherent push, instead of the "i'm incapable of higher thought" posting that happened instead when I tried to push through the issues I was having and post anyway, and not just in that game but also in the lylo where i was an innocent child, where it was worse.

My towngame and scumgame are almost identical. 99% of the stuff I say as scum is what my townself thinks.

i think you are just pattern matching and not realising how much of what you saw in our last game together was just playstyle. You could look at my last towngame if you like? I think you'll see a lot of the things you've been complaining about in this game. I was Murgatroyd.

Anyway we're putting you on ignore because we do think you are probably town by now!

--P

[Sakura Hana]

Actually all I understood was that Sakura can get emotional, fast

Actually that doesn't happen nearly as often nowadays.

[Wisdom]

Only now ppl are starting to see that ashnard is town?

Nah, but the other head only posted now, so worth the confirmation.

[Sakura Hana]

Only now ppl are starting to see that ashnard is town?

Nah, but the other head only posted now, so worth the confirmation.

But you already knew he was town so that's cheating

[Trebuchet MS]

hey marquis

i have a new secret scumread

you wanna' guess who it is?

VOTE: anti

[Sakura Hana]

Anti's town.

[Trebuchet MS]

low effort anti, low effort

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Wisdom]

Phantom/KT/Expedience.

[talah]

and you tend to not give a crap about that if you're scum.

Where did you understand that from?

I read some postgame thing a while back around the time that you had some guff in your signature regarding trying to become a better person or something.
I think the trigger for that was a game where you and Sakura had some pretty terrible interactions.
Come to think of it I don't even recall if that was town/town or scum/town but if your towngame is still hyper-aggressive-dun-care-tunnel then I don't see why you wouldn't also play like that as scum. Therefore if you're scum and Sakura's town she's a pretty easy target to start with in an attempt to get to self-tilt.

Anyway that was my thinking. I can't claim to be completely familiar with the state of things at least as far as your own play goes. Do feel free to correct me.

[Trebuchet MS]

I disagree with the Anti townreads. I see all his posts so far as just playing surface-level on like, the typical conversational town-Anti calling cards.

I know that didn't make any sense, but what I mean is I see him trying to subvert the typical scum-Anti lurker meta by trying to hand me a bunch of easy stock statements, barely alignment-indicative posts (for him, at least) instead.

[Trebuchet Marquis]