Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[Something_Smart]

I have decent townleans on beeboy and masquerade.
Slight townleans on shadow, supreme, snarky and aristo.
Not sure about the rest.

[SnarkySnowman]

What about scumleans?

[Something_Smart]

My only real scumlean is viva; possibly cobalting as well. Still thinking about Shinobi and droog, and waiting on ika and BEF.

[droog]

#mod can we get a votal please

[beeboy]

Sure, maybe, but I want explanation because it feels like she just threw scumreads on the people under the most pressure and called it a day.

I am definitely wanting more content from cobalting because pressuring doesn't really say anything about there thoughts on the game. It is just the description on that read list isn't what I want.

[Masquerade]

I still do agree and I think that you're probably town and Shinobi scum, but I feel like Shinobi can be left alive for a while because he's actively participating in scumhunting.
My opinion is that correct play in multiball is to go for the players who are both likely to be scum and unlikely to be cross killed; Shinobi doesn't exactly fit what I'm looking for in a day 1 lynch.
I think Cobalting needs to be forced to explain their reads lists right now.

Okay I'm willing to work with you.
On their readslists: Ranger does that. Every game. I need more context, it looks like it's made least to most scummy but that would be an assumption. There's no real content to speak of so they need to elaborate on their lists, explain how they got to them. And engage in the game more.

@Beeboy: I put quotes in the wall I made earlier. Shinobi hasn't done anything but awkwardly defending his rvs-questions and then entered a tunnel on me. I'm not going to paste his entire iso, if you don't see it then you're not going to see it with more quotes.

@Something smart: How do you justify both scumreading Viva and townreading me? When did I become a 'decent townlean'?

[Supreme Overlord]

Was supposed to be like "meta schmeta".


I hate meta.

-pc

Who was using meta, and where?

My opinion is that correct play in multiball is to go for the players who are both likely to be scum and unlikely to be cross killed; Shinobi doesn't exactly fit what I'm looking for in a day 1 lynch.

I don't know about this. And like beeboy said saying so out loud isn't a good idea. Sure, ideally we lynch scum and then they cross-kill themselves, but that relies heavily on us being able to guess the scum kill. It also provides a perfect opportunity to be like 'yes they're scum but let's lynch someone else' and avoid bussing.

That said:

My opinion is that correct play in multiball is to go for the players who are both likely to be scum and unlikely to be cross killed;

My opinion is that we should keep what we are looking for to ourselves so people don't try and avoid doing it.

beeboy, how are scum supposed to benefit from knowing to be 'not likely to be scum' and 'likely to be cross-killed'?

I think Cobalting needs to be forced to explain their reads lists right now.

Let's be honest that was definitely a reactions list.

I initially read this as 'they're not real reads because they're only early game reactions'. But it seems you meant Cobalting was only

looking

for reactions. Why are you trying to discredit these as legitimate reads?

Droog, if beeboy is your townread does that mean you're concluding he's town or scum (for projecting a townie vibe)?

Snarky is right that townleans from Something Smart aren't terribly helpful. However, Snarky, can you give your reads at this point?

My only real scumlean is viva; possibly cobalting as well. Still thinking about Shinobi and droog, and waiting on ika and BEF.

Why Cobalting? You haven't mentioned them yet.

Thinking scum are in Viva, Shinobi, beeboy at the moment.

[Cobalting]

Why don't you explain why you're thinking what you're saying?

Why would I?

{beeboy}
{Masquerade}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes, TheShadow}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi, Supreme Overlord}
{Viva la Gloria}

[Cobalting]

{beeboy, droog}
{Masquerade}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes, TheShadow}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi, Supreme Overlord}
{Viva la Gloria}

[TheShadow]

Why don't you explain why you're thinking what you're saying?

Why would I?

Why is this not lynched yet? Less game relevant info in their 12 posts than my 1.

@Mod: VC please. Also ika is due a prod

[Masquerade]

VOTE: Cobalting

This is not coming off for the rest of the day and if this doesn't explain their reads or get lynced I'm replacing out.

[Something_Smart]

@Masquerade: I've already explained Viva. As for you, I really liked how you responded to pressure, particularly 123.
@Supreme: it's not just that Cobalting's thrown out unexplained readlists, but it's also that they've done little actual playing in the game. (My point about planning for LYLO also applies.)

[PhantomCobalt]

I can't speak for Ranger here, sorry guys. I'll talk to her in the PT.

-PC

[Supreme Overlord]

Then what are your reads, PC? I don't know what your policy is regarding acting as different heads, but if you can't speak for Ranger you should be able to speak for yourself.

[texcat]

Day 1, Votecount 4

Cobalting

(4): SnarkySnowman, TheShadow, Viva La Gloria, Masquerade

Viva La Gloria

(2): Something_Smart, Supreme Overlord

Masquerade

(1): Shinobi

ika

(1): Cobalting

Something_Smart

(1): beeboy

beeboy

(1): Aristophanes

Not Voting (3):

Droog, ika, BrightEyedFish

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:00 am (Texas time)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-08 09:00:00)

Prodding Ika.

[beeboy]

@supreme if scum know what I believe are scum tells in this set up they are going to avoid doing it. (Obviously I would reveal if someone did it) Also it creates a situation where a scum can force me to do a bad lynch if someone does a scum tell by mistake. Or they can pressure me for not following my own scum tell. A reason I wouldn't follow my own tell is if they have a reasonable explanation.

@supreme He put me at the top of the town list for my first post of the game. Feel free to read and you will see why I can't understand that is a legit read list. Although the fact he remained consistent with it does make me admit I am probably wrong about my statement.

[Masquerade]

@Masquerade: I've already explained Viva. As for you, I really liked how you responded to pressure, particularly 123.
@Supreme: it's not just that Cobalting's thrown out unexplained readlists, but it's also that they've done little actual playing in the game. (My point about planning for LYLO also applies.)

I asked because I was thinking 'but we have the same opinion so how can 1 be scum and the other town' instead of remembering this is Fire and Ice.. Gonna reread a couple of things later tonight. First dinner.

Oh and PC please repost as hydra so it's in that iso too, thanks. And why do you want to talk to Ranger before you want to talk to us?

[beeboy]

Believe it or not atm the way Cobaltings 2 heads aren't coordinating is making me believe they are town. I don't play with or as a hydra a lot because I tend to play off-site so correct me if this is wrong or basic hydra play. Scum hydras are more likely to coordinate reads like this because it makes it easier to push bad lynches and cover each others claims. The goal of a scum would be have a plan and stick to it to end game the town. I can imagine a town hydra could easily forget to coordinate this early on since they are just scum hunting.

[Something_Smart]

Beeboy that's a good point but wifom so idk

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Cobalting

This is not coming off for the rest of the day and if this doesn't explain their reads or get lynced I'm replacing out.

Now now, no need to throw a tantrum.
Like, we've got 11 days left. Plenty of time for them to explain things.

Then what are your reads, PC? I don't know what your policy is regarding acting as different heads, but if you can't speak for Ranger you should be able to speak for yourself.

I mean, he said he would get back to you and their discussion may either change a read or may lead to some reasons emerging on the thread. What's wrong with checking where your other head's at with their thinking?

[beeboy]

Aristo what are your reads right now?

[Aristophanes]

All very fluid still, but:
Towny: Beeboy, Cobalting
Lightly towny: Snarky
Need sorting: Shin, Something Smart
Scummy: Viva, Masquerade

I don't like SO's tone, but that's probably a playstyle difference thing. I'll FoS them.

Everyone else is nullish.

[ika]

wow i froget about tihs game......

illl do this tonight if i am in the mood

[droog]

Droog, if beeboy is your townread does that mean you're concluding he's town or scum (for projecting a townie vibe)?

i think hes town

scum arent just trying to look townie but also scumhunt
so the best way for town to get noted
is not just to scumhunt
its hard to put into words what im feeling

but i think beeboy's behavior is town

[Shinobi]

I'll catch up in a bit.