Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[droog]

by which i mean tomorrow
its been a long day

[Masquerade]

Although being on a wagon with Supreme Overlord is troubling as I have a bad gut feeling about him.

VOTE: Beeboy

Dammit

VOTE: Supreme Overlord.
Eh, still not fully comfortable with ika

especially

given multiball, but beeboy's right.
Not gonna share a wagon with him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cobalting

Different scumteams, I'd like Cobalting out first.

Dafuq is the problem sharing a wagon with scum if it is on other scum?! We can only lynch 1 a day you know.

[beeboy]

o.o Masq I had more than one reason to unvote.

[Masquerade]

Yeah and I guess it's this

UNVOTE:

Ya something_smart and cobalting are both against this and they can't both be a potential Ika partner so I am going to wait for him to post.

And now that I'm thinking about this more, it's just weird to me.
You have a scumread on ika, but you're already making it dependent on associative reads while we haven't even had a flip yet. How confident are you in your read of ika?
Also, everyone who's been in a game with ika knows ika's meta because it's brought up every game he's in so even a scumbuddy would possibly want to jump the wagon early for the towncredit with the knowledge that ika is going to be found out sooner than later anyways, so I wouldn't trust too much that if ika was scum that his buddy would be defending his lynch.

[Aristophanes]

I find people's reactions to Ika amusing and possibly indicative, despite him having done nothing indicative of either alignment yet himself.
This is just plain Ika atm.

I'm sure I'll get a read on him later. Gonna be more focused on reactions to him though for now.

Well, when I gay back to this again that is.

[beeboy]

@masq
This is a team based game too many told me it was town behavior so this is a matter of play styles not indicative.

@aristo
Honestly I think avoiding D1 until everyone posts is scummy behavior and I don't play with Ika so I don't know what his usual play is.

[Viva La Gloria]

UNVOTE:

im done with my little experiment
ill explain in a bit

if you don't explain this I'm autolynching you.

[Viva La Gloria]

Supreme Overlord is still bugging the shit out of me and the Ika vote is frankly terrible.
But Ranger is being useless and anti-town as hell by refusing to explain her reads.
I'd like to switch but I also think we should seriously threaten to lynch Ranger if she continues to refuse to elaborate so that she gets shit done.

[droog]

UNVOTE:

im done with my little experiment
ill explain in a bit

if you don't explain this I'm autolynching you.

ok
i wont explain it now

[Shinobi]

Supreme Overlord is still bugging the shit out of me and the Ika vote is frankly terrible.
But Ranger is being useless and anti-town as hell by refusing to explain her reads.
I'd like to switch but I also think we should seriously threaten to lynch Ranger if she continues to refuse to elaborate so that she gets shit done.

You. I like you.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: cobalting
I can back the "explain your reads" sentiment.

[Cobalting]

Dafuq is the problem sharing a wagon with scum if it is on other scum?

Well for a start: the strong possibility it's

not

on scum.

But Ranger is being useless and anti-town as hell by refusing to explain her reads.

Actually I'm getting great data points from it. Namely, players more likely to be scum trying to take advantage of the scenario (you and Shinobi stand out, but aren't the only ones) in contrast to frustrated town who simply don't understand me (namely, Masquerade). I already told players why I'm not explaining my reads: because I am dead serious in expecting others to put effort into sorting why I would have them. If players don't try, that's their problem, not mine.

I can only reveal my reads one time. I can get fourteen theoretical stances on my reads. Right now, we're at one, because the only person who guessed was beeboy, and beeboy guessed, "for reactions" (half-right) and "not actually serious" (the part that's wrong), and since me saying they were serious, hasn't contributed further thoughts on the list.

[Cobalting]

Speaking of which,
{beeboy, droog, Masquerade, Aristophanes}
{Snarky Snowman, TheShadow}
{ika, Silverwolf}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi, Supreme Overlord}
{Viva la Gloria}

[Cobalting]

In short: what I'm looking for is three things.

1. How players react to my lists. (I'm getting plenty on this one.)
2. What players think of the ordering on the list. (How much they agree with, how much they disagree with, etc.)
3. What players guess is the reasoning behind my list.

Obviously by saying this, I've removed almost any further advantage to #1. But the benefits behind #2 and 3 are still such that I'm not explaining further than this.

[Cobalting]

Sorry, made an error last list.
{beeboy, droog, Masquerade, Aristophanes}
{Snarky Snowman, TheShadow}
{ika, Silverwolf}
{Something_Smart, Supreme Overlord}
{Viva la Gloria, Shinobi}
This is where I'm

actually

at.

[ika]

VOTE: silver

[ika]

this is an odd post
after taunting beeboy for not voting you

why do you suddenly switch direction

why not? i mean as much as i was getting amusement of tanuting him silver is prioirty and her lack of engadgemtn is worrying to me right now so i am doing that to sort her

I just don't understand why we can't know Ika's thoughts before Silverwolf posts it isn't like he is bound to his initial reads and isn't allowed to change them.

Maybe cus I dont have any? and that if i did they would be littered in my iso that i would never look back on

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: cobalting
I can back the "explain your reads" sentiment.

This is a bad vote.

[Aristophanes]

Supreme Overlord is still bugging the shit out of me and the Ika vote is frankly terrible.
But Ranger is being useless and anti-town as hell by refusing to explain her reads.
I'd like to switch but I also think we should seriously threaten to lynch Ranger if she continues to refuse to elaborate so that she gets shit done.

Meh,
I'm townreading Ranger.

Also, what is it with you people and quick/Auto-lynching?
You do realize saying that does nothing, and has no time frame, support, or scare factor, right?

What even do you mean by Auto-lynching?

[texcat]

Day 1, Votecount 8

Cobalting (5):

SnarkySnowman, TheShadow, Viva La Gloria, Masquerade, Shinobi

ika (1):

Supreme Overlord

Viva La Gloria (1):

Something_Smart

SilverWolf (1):

ika

Supreme Overlord(1):

Cobalting

Not Voting (4):

SilverWolf, Aristophanes, beeboy, droog

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:00 am (Texas time)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-08 09:00:00)

Prodding TheShadow.

[SilverWolf]

OK, I'm feeling better today but have a funeral to go to tomorrow so if I'm gonna get anything done in the next couple days, it has to be today. Some random thoughts first of all.

-I've played with ika a lot, we have a hydra together, him trying to sort me first is to be expected as either alignment, yes he does ask people to vote him if they suspect him, him trying to reach out to me to interact with me is a good sign towards his alignment right now. I will make a better call on that when we can talk here. @ika-do you have any reads right now on anyone?

-Ranger gives those empty reads lists all the time. I've not played with her as scum but that is very typical of what she's done in every town game I've seen her in. I feel like Shinobi's jump on her for that was pretty opportunistic. When you add to that, the fact he started off the game very oddly compared to how he he usually does with the attacks on RVS votes, I'm def concerned about him.

-Beeboy looks town. I like his engagement with the game and trying to figure things out. Something Smart can be town as well for the same reasons.

-droog I'm very paranoid about because I've played 3 games with him, he's been scum each time, and won them all by fooling me into thinking he's town, for this reason alone I am not going to make a call on his alignment yet

-I fell like Supreme Overlord has the absolute worst votes with the worst reasoning in the game. His ISO is very shallow and I think there's a chance this is scum

VOTE: Supreme Overlord

OK, I'm gonna read through more now in more detail but these are my initial thoughts rn.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: cobalting
I can back the "explain your reads" sentiment.

This is a bad vote.

What's that supposed to mean?

[Shinobi]

Sorry, made an error last list.
{beeboy, droog, Masquerade, Aristophanes}
{Snarky Snowman, TheShadow}
{ika, Silverwolf}
{Something_Smart, Supreme Overlord}
{Viva la Gloria, Shinobi}
This is where I'm

actually

at.

Is there actually something besides "people that want to kill me because I'm not explaining my reads are mafia" behind your scumreads or is that all you have?

[beeboy]

-droog I'm very paranoid about because I've played 3 games with him, he's been scum each time, and won them all by fooling me into thinking he's town, for this reason alone I am not going to make a call on his alignment yet

Tfw when I was used as lynch bait in 2 of those games.

[SilverWolf]

Cobalting: Can you explain why I was placed above 4 people when I hadn't posted much of anything yet? Is it just that you have strong scumreads on those 4 or do you often put your nulls in the middle like that?

Also, a couple people said at the beginning of the game that Cobalting doesn't play this way as town-do you have specific links?

pedit: Yeah beeboy two of those you were in and I remember in Antarctic I helped scum mislynch you. I am forever sad about how badly I fucked up lylo in that game after all that work. Sigh.......................