Newbie 1677 (Game Over)

tojam2 · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:34 am

Me(2) - mykonian, hawkleader3
hawkleader3(2) - Me, jachawk
jachawk(1) - Ruku

NV(2) - Natsu, MochaMan

Natsu · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:17 am

I did a bit more browsing.

My opinion on mykonian has changed. Yesterday I thought he was almost assuredly scum. After looking at the other game, it does seem that he plays differently there as scum. His posts seem a lot more helpful in this game. My read on him was most likely to be mafia, but now I think he's a town-lean that I might be okay with in lylo.

Speaking of lylo, let's keep in mind that we are in it if we hit town with our next lynch, assuming mafia doesn't hit a bulletproof.

I browsed PC's ISO again. I can't see a single thing that would point to him being a power role. It's interesting that he changed his opinion on mochaman after digging in so hard early game. There's also an unsubstantiated scum-lean towards jachawk, which I kind of share due to low post content.

Tojam2 was read as null by PC, which is also how I feel right now. I also have to mention that Ruku has creeped into null range for me. He did a swift hammer on Lia without letting her speak, though time was running out anyways. Ruku was my biggest town-read before but I'm not sure anymore.

Mochaman might still be scum despite PC's change of heart. It seems a bit too obvious, but I guess mocha might have just wanted to night kill PC for being so aggressive towards him early on.

I still need to dissect hawkleader and jachawk. I'm not ready to vote now guys. I know everyone hates me for it but I just like to cover all my bases before I throw it around.

MochaMan · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:58 am

In post 295, mykonian wrote:I'm quite confused as why people thought I was going to get nightkilled. You don't get nightkilled with so much suspicion around. I may be an IC, that's not a guaranteed night kill target

Out of everyone, I thought you were the most informative of all your posts and most well backed up.
The post about Ruku using RNG, and the one about me stepping back are good examples.
So you would seem to be the obvious answer to nightkill as I feel like you would be able to point out newbie mistakes and scum-slips more than anyone in this game.

Zaicon · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:25 pm

Vote Count 2.2

tojam2 (2):

mykonian, hawkleader3

hawkleader3 (2):

tojam2, jachawk

jachawk (1):

Ruku

No Vote (2):

MochaMan, Natsu

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 8:00 AM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-02-06 08:00:00).

tojam2 · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:55 am

Prod dodge, no time tonight, will post tomorrow.

hawkleader3 · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:35 am

@Mochaman your two scum subjects are at L-2. Are you still deciding which one to vote on or are you waiting on purpose for a claim?

MochaMan · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:25 am

In post 305, hawkleader3 wrote:@Mochaman your two scum subjects are at L-2. Are you still deciding which one to vote on or are you waiting on purpose for a claim?

Both of you claimed already. There have also been a few people rarely posting today. I don't want to push either of you to L-1, we still have time.

Zaicon · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:48 am

Prodding Ruku.

tojam2 · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:42 am

Might need to prod mykonian as well, although it would be a nightmare with a new IC.

tojam2 · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:44 am

@hawkleader3: Are you asking him to vote? Forcing a vote is pretty scummy.

mykonian · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:05 am

Yes, sorry guys. I am somehow forgetting that I'm in this game. Today and tomorrow I have a ton of time though, and after this shitty week I've got a clear head again.

mykonian · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:07 am

oh, thankfully not all that much happened. I'd like to repeat that natsu should sheep me if he indeed saw sense in thinking tojam was scummy. I'd rather have a partner on the wagon than a supporter off it.

mykonian · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:22 am

I don't think we should lynch mocha, btw. He's fine.

Natsu · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:24 am

In post 311, mykonian wrote:oh, thankfully not all that much happened. I'd like to repeat that natsu should sheep me if he indeed saw sense in thinking tojam was scummy. I'd rather have a partner on the wagon than a supporter off it.

At this point I'm thinking the mafia team is either mykonian and mochaman or Tojam2 and a hawk. I do think mochaman is innocent though. I guess I've finally seen enough to where I can say tojam might be my best vote. I really thought he was just being a newbish town the whole time, but with his playstyle he seems dangerous to keep around.

VOTE: Tojam2

hawkleader3 · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:42 am

THIS PUTS TOJAM2 AT L-1

MochaMan · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:19 am

In post 313, Natsu wrote:Tojam2 and a hawk

I would be very surprised if hawkleader3 and tojam2 were both scum.

Natsu · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:47 am

Why is that?

MochaMan · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:43 pm

In post 316, Natsu wrote:Why is that?

Take a look at their ISOs. They scumread each other so much, I'd be very surprised if they were bussing.
They were on each others wagons, hawkleader3 asked for a claim from tojam, and the fact that they're voting for each other now.

You still have yet to answer my question though.

In post 290, MochaMan wrote:
In post 289, Natsu wrote:I strongly suspect that PC targeted you with his jail ability.

What makes you say that?

mykonian · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:47 pm

which is why we shouldn't be thinking about lynching mocha. That was a nice post.

Natsu · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:18 pm

@ Mocha, mostly because he scumread you hard at the beginning. I actually missed where he townread you at the time of me posting that.

jachawk · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:14 pm

In post 313, Natsu wrote:
In post 311, mykonian wrote:oh, thankfully not all that much happened. I'd like to repeat that natsu should sheep me if he indeed saw sense in thinking tojam was scummy. I'd rather have a partner on the wagon than a supporter off it.

At this point I'm thinking the mafia team is either mykonian and mochaman or Tojam2 and a hawk. I do think mochaman is innocent though. I guess I've finally seen enough to where I can say tojam might be my best vote. I really thought he was just being a newbish town the whole time, but with his playstyle he seems dangerous to keep around.

VOTE: Tojam2

@Natsu : You null read tojam2 in you last post, now you suggest that it is ok to vote him out citing his playstyle rather than pointing out why you think he is scummy. I dont think there is much scum content in tojam2's recent posts, so what makes you change your view?

Ruku · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:15 am

@Jachawk, Tojam and Mykon.

Could you give a read list please

tojam2 · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:47 am

@Ruku:
hawkleader3: scum
Ruku: scum lean
Natsu: null
jachawk: town lean
mykonian: town lean
MochaMan: town lean

MochaMan · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:49 am

@Ruku, some reads from you would be nice as well.

MochaMan · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:02 am

Alright, so it turns out that a jailkept mafia will be able to participate in the night QT (I think that's what it's called).

Which means that the read boils down to whether or not

In post 265, tojam2 wrote:I do question why both scum didn't kill.

was a lie.

hawkleader3, mykonian, Natsu. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that you think it's a lie.
I'm still conflicted here, because his one newbie game he only replaced in on the last day, and in that blitz that he played, each mafia member got a kill.
So do you think as mafia, tojam2 would be able to pick up on doing something like a townslip?