Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

Shinobi · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:55 am

In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 275, ika wrote:Silver.......

Why am
I not getting warm fuzzies from your post?

What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?

I didn't know scum!silver was so spineless.

ISO · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:57 am

Shinobi wrote:
In post 298, Something_Smart wrote:what does that mean...

That was the sound of that joke going over your head.

your point?
are you committed or not?

Shinobi · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:14 am

In post 301, Something_Smart wrote:
Shinobi wrote:
In post 298, Something_Smart wrote:what does that mean...

That was the sound of that joke going over your head.

your point?
are you committed or not?

Yes?

ISO · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:19 am

Then why don't you have any real reasons?

Shinobi · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:08 am

My reasons are plenty real, tyvm.

ika · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:15 am

In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 275, ika wrote:Silver.......

Why am
I not getting warm fuzzies from your post?

What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?

i would have to iso....

i cna do that soon but silver why do i feel like you are scum still? are you scum?

and yes that does slightly if so shouldnt you be voting him

SilverWolf · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:29 am

In post 305, ika wrote:
In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 275, ika wrote:Silver.......

Why am
I not getting warm fuzzies from your post?

What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?

i would have to iso....

i cna do that soon but silver why do i feel like you are scum still? are you scum?

and yes that does slightly if so shouldnt you be voting him

No, I'm not. Why are you being so passive this game? Shinobi is scum but so is Supreme Overlord.

Your opinions on both of them or anything this game so far?

ISO · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:33 am

In post 304, Shinobi wrote:My reasons are plenty real, tyvm.

Then why don't you share them?

SilverWolf · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:39 am

In post 300, Shinobi wrote:
In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 275, ika wrote:Silver.......

Why am
I not getting warm fuzzies from your post?

What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?

I didn't know scum!silver was so spineless.

I didn't realize scum!Shinobi was so obvious. I don't think you can articulate your read on Cobalting at all and are not reacting to the pressure from it in a way I've seen town Shinobi react to pressure before. Plus your reaction to me is meh. I don't feel you really want to figure me out at all.

VOTE: Shinobi

ika · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:41 am

ok now i like silver a lot mroe

VOTE: shinobi

im being passive cus i wan to pour down gallons and gallos of WIFOM about me

ika · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:41 am

to clarify shes now a town read of mien

ika · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:45 am

i can see beeboy being scum for his slow roll vote......

im migiht eb goign to powekr so maybe drunk em can get invested

Shinobi · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:45 pm

In post 308, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 300, Shinobi wrote:
In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 275, ika wrote:Silver.......

Why am
I not getting warm fuzzies from your post?

What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?

I didn't know scum!silver was so spineless.

I didn't realize scum!Shinobi was so obvious. I don't think you can articulate your read on Cobalting at all and are not reacting to the pressure from it in a way I've seen town Shinobi react to pressure before. Plus your reaction to me is meh. I don't feel you really want to figure me out at all.

VOTE: Shinobi

I'll explain it more when I get to a computer.
I thought that I had given my reasons before - apparently I haven't or wasn't clear enough.

beeboy · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:46 pm

I find it cute the Ika is claiming that I am playing slowly.

texcat · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:19 pm

Day 1, Votecount 9

Cobalting (4):

SnarkySnowman, TheShadow, Viva La Gloria, Shinobi

Shinobi(3):

Masquerade, SilverWolf, ika

ika (1):

Supreme Overlord

Viva La Gloria (1):

Something_Smart

Supreme Overlord(1):

Cobalting

Not Voting (3):

Aristophanes, beeboy, droog

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:00 am (Texas time)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-08 09:00:00)

Supreme Overlord · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:44 pm

TL;DR: Probably scum are Viva (followed on from last time, no real update), ika; I'm disliking Cobalting more (could be playstyle, but I don't think it's a protown playstyle), I'm getting wary of beeboy with a couple of his contradictions. Shinobi started bad but I think has improved lately. Feeling alright about Silver, S_S, droog, Masq, Aristo; not much on Shadow or Snarky.

Viva la Gloria, why do you keep ignoring my questions?

To people saying things like 'ika always plays like this' - is it possible to get links to back that up?
Because all I've got from ika right now is a townread on Silver, I assume a scumread on Shinobi (given the vote), and maybe scum on beeboy. All without any explanation as to why.

And this also addresses Cobalting: I see giving reads without explanation (or doing anything, really) as scummy, because it allows scum to just say *anything*, and let other people fill in the gaps, and then just agree with it if it sounds good. Making it harder to be caught in contradictions.

So droog, please explain the purpose of your experiment vote on Viva, and what you got out of it.

In post 235, ika wrote:i dont get how if i get everyones thoughts it makes it harder for me

Harder for *anyone else* to question you. It makes it easier for you, because you can pick and choose what to talk about, and rely more on other people's thoughts than having to provide your own.

In post 236, SnarkySnowman wrote:Ika and Beeboy are probably both town.

Who is probably scum?

In post 244, Cobalting wrote:
Supreme Overlord wrote:But we're getting nothing from Ranger, and PC can't explain Ranger's reads, so I was hoping to get something from that slot.
To the contrary, you
have
got something: my lists. Have you tried running through them and trying to figure them out? It's not that hard. What sparks the change in the list? At what post do I make the list? (For instance, my last post changed the positioning of ika and Masquerade, but I'm only now quoting this post, so clearly, something prior to page 8 caused the change.) And so on.

Fair enough; 'nothing' was an exaggeration. However - and I don't want to sound too lazy here - but I don't really feel like going through your ISO, played 'spot the difference' with your lists, then going back to the game pages to try to figure out what happened in between that caused

your

opinion to change.

For example, I would guess that something about droog's entrance made you think he was town - but to pin anything down would be just that, a guess. Maybe you agree that town are trying to project a towny vibe. Maybe it's because you agree that beeboy is town. Maybe it's that you agree that Shinobi was RVS trolling. And that's just three possibilities, with one read on one player. How am I supposed to pick the real one/s? Multiplied out by all your reads and all your players.
If you don't want to explain everything, maybe now that I've taken a stab at why you listed droog as town, you could explain your reasoning for that, at least?

In post 243, beeboy wrote:I just don't understand why we can't know Ika's thoughts before Silverwolf posts it isn't like he is bound to his initial reads and isn't allowed to change them.

In post 247, beeboy wrote:UNVOTE:

Ya something_smart and cobalting are both against this and they can't both be a potential Ika partner so I am going to wait for him to post.

Can you elaborate on what changed your mind? I agreed with your first post, and think it's still true by the time of your second; why back off? Also, I don't think Cobalting was 'against' anything on ika.

In post 230, beeboy wrote:(I don't believe in meta)

In post 255, beeboy wrote:This is a team based game too many told me it was town behavior so this is a matter of play styles not indicative.

So you don't believe in meta, but you do believe in peer pressure?

In post 267, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 260, Shinobi wrote:VOTE: cobalting
I can back the "explain your reads" sentiment.

This is a bad vote.

This

is a bad vote? How about ika's vote on Silver 2 posts up, after Silver had said she wasn't feeling well and would get to it tomorrow?

In post 309, ika wrote:im being passive cus i wan to pour down gallons and gallos of WIFOM about me

What is the town motivation for that?

beeboy · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:18 pm

In post 315, Supreme Overlord wrote:Can you elaborate on what changed your mind? I agreed with your first post, and think it's still true by the time of your second; why back off? Also, I don't think Cobalting was 'against' anything on ika.

I was on a wagon with you and I genuinely believe it is part of Cobalting's meta and is just a play style preference

In post 315, Supreme Overlord wrote:So you don't believe in meta, but you do believe in Peer Pressure?

3 people tell me an opinion. That means that 2 people must not be on a scum team with Cobalting.

Cobalting · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:14 pm

Supreme Overlord wrote:However - and I don't want to sound too lazy here - but I don't really feel like going through your ISO, played 'spot the difference' with your lists, then going back to the game pages to try to figure out what happened in between that caused your opinion to change.

Dude, the game's thirteen pages long.

Thirteen

.
You'd have a more compelling argument if it was thirty.

And I've been listing since page three; you could have started back then. Or even now. My list keeps changing now.

If you don't want to explain everything, maybe now that I've taken a stab at why you listed droog as town, you could explain your reasoning for that, at least?

I could explain a controversial read, but reads everyone agrees with, I see no reason to. droog fits that category: those who aren't townreading him are null-reading him.

Oh, and:
VOTE: Shinobi.

Supreme Overlord · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:07 pm

beeboy, my questions to you were about ika, not Cobalting.

Cobalting, droog wasn't being townread at all at the point when you called him town. Why did you think so *at the time*?

beeboy · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:10 pm

Sorry that is what I meant I think I already said this I am running on like 3.5h of sleep and it is 11pm.

Cobalting · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:18 pm

Supreme Overlord wrote:Cobalting, droog wasn't being townread at all at the point when you called him town. Why did you think so *at the time*?

Because I'm a hipster; I scumread scum and townread town before it's cool.

(I'm sorry, I had to.)

TheShadow · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:46 pm

Prod acknowledged, haven't had as much time for this as I'd hoped.

VOTE: Shinobi

Vote belongs here for now.

Supreme Overlord · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:41 am

... For any particular reason?

ISO · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:06 am

Whoa that wagon happened fast. Those last few votes in particular could be scumvotes. I'm intending to see Shinobi's reaction before I vote. (He said he had real reasons for voting Cobalting, so unless he gives them and a valid explanation for not sharing them, he's probably scum.)
@Supreme yeah ika's vote wasn't great either, but I think it was just ika being ika. Also it wasn't onto a wagon.

Shinobi · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:47 am

In post 281, Shinobi wrote:
In post 278, Something_Smart wrote:Just because nothing precludes someone from being scum, it doesn't make them scum.
You voted for a reason, but on closer examination that reason is crap. It was basically an excuse to join the leading wagon without strongly committing.

I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.
If you want to press me on the fact that I think the guy belittling my efforts for reasons he can't be bothered to explain is scum then go ahead.

SS why didn't you acknowledge this the first time, exactly?
Because I double checked and I thought I explained myself pretty well here.