Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

[Wisdom]

Sure, but my case on Expedience is not based on meta. It's based on impact. He's had none.

Impact is not alignment indicative.

[Wisdom]

its just "x thing is scummy from y player.
vote: y player"
youre really reading that as town?

And how is that different than usual Ank?

[Wisdom]

probably phantom are town.

I don't agree with this or your reasons for reaching this, but as long as we agree on Scatterplot.

[Ranger]

i might just stop rereading and votepark if all of my effort is going to end up getting continually roadblocked by two people refusing to actually discuss things with me.

What's there to discuss? I've been telling you you're right about Ankamius and wrong about Expedience, told you why I felt you were wrong about Expedience, and am letting you continue reading for why other players (e.g. PhantomCobalt, Spiffeh, Wisdom) are town.

you really think ank is being genuine this game?
literally all of his pushes that ive read to this point are wooden and have no weight behind them.
he never once gets ACTUALLY paranoid about someone.
theres no fire.
its just "x thing is scummy from y player.
vote: y player"
youre really reading that as town?

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ARTICULATE! THANK YOU!

[Ranger]

(That was a scream of joy. I've been sarcastic lately so I know tone doesn't always come across.)

[Gorkington]

its just "x thing is scummy from y player.
vote: y player"
youre really reading that as town?

And how is that different than usual Ank?

i mean literally this though.
he finds one reason.
and ties his vote to that.
theres no hunting.

the ank i know would be asking people questions with something behind them, especially since he's been around fairly often this game.

What's there to discuss? I've been telling you you're right about Ankamius and wrong about Expedience, told you why I felt you were wrong about Expedience, and am letting you continue reading for why other players (e.g. PhantomCobalt, Spiffeh, Wisdom) are town.

like.
its hard to articulate.
but i feel like you and wisdom are so absolutely entrenched in your reads that talking about anything is pointless.
youve both already made up your minds and i feel like im largely wasting my time if im expecting any kind of dynamic interaction with either of you.
which might be rude but im a rude dude apparently so woohoo.

[Gorkington]

expedience's vote on firebringer was ballsy as fuck if he was his scummate.

[Gorkington]

i do dislike that fire ignores it though.
thats pretty bad.

[pieguyn]

votecount 3.1

Ankamius (2) - Ranger, Gorkington

Scatterplot (1) - Wisdom

Not voting (7) - Scatterplot, Expedience, Antihero, Spiffeh, Ankamius, hiplop, PhantomCobalt

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is February 29, 17:40 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2016-02-02 20:40:00).

[Ranger]

i mean literally this though.
he finds one reason.
and ties his vote to that.
theres no hunting.

This.

like.
its hard to articulate.
but i feel like you and wisdom are so absolutely entrenched in your reads that talking about anything is pointless.
youve both already made up your minds and i feel like im largely wasting my time if im expecting any kind of dynamic interaction with either of you.

Totally get that, actually. I understand what you mean.

If it makes you feel better: I'm actually

not

absolutely set on Expedience. Ankamius is 100% scum, but Expedience is only like 90% in comparison. You actually COULD talk me out of that, but I very strongly feel like Expedience was the bus-vote, for:

1. POE of everyone except him, Ank, and Scatterplot indicating town.
2. Scatterplot's vote-then-unvote looking town for the same reason Wisdom's did: if you're going to bus, why hop off at all?
3. Firebringer having mentioned every other player except for Ankamius and Expedience.

Among others.

[Gorkington]

i feel like there was enough noise and enough reason that there may not have been a bus-vote.
but honestly it looks really weird that fire didnt make a bunch of ate noise about expedience's vote.

[Gorkington]

if anyone lamevoted Ashnard D2 who isnt anti they deserve a lot of attention.

[Wisdom]

Firebringer having mentioned every other player except for Ankamius and Expedience.

Why is that a thing? You think scum don't distance?

[Ankamius]

Gork, a lot of what you're saying today about me is either alignment-null or things I do as town more than scum.

[Wisdom]

Ank, what do your scumreads look like now?

[Ankamius]

Antihero is town.
Gorkington is town.
Hiplop is town.

Everyone else is swirling around somewhere in null-town to null-scum somewhere. I'm feeling like scum weaseled their way into my blind spot, which is making me really paranoid of Spiffeh now that I know a lot of my reads were wrong.

[Scatterplot]

The nightkill WIFOM is dumb. Asking people why they're still alive in a setup with two doctors when we know scum got a reminder of that fact on Night 1 is dumb. Assuming that the scum are doing framejobs because Firebringer, who died without ever speaking to the rest of the scumteam, selfhammered, is dumb. Gorkington's logic in 1886 is at least possible, maybe.

I did glance at some of Expedience's other games, just long enough to note activity rate, and he seemed to have decent middle of the road activity in those games--both town and scum--that he doesn't have here.

I am in a position where I think Wisdom is more likely to be scum, but I barely even care and I'm still mad at myself for Titus and Ankamius is also scummy and I think Plotinus suspects him more than Wisdom anyway and maybe Ranger deserves to be happy just so somebody can be happy.

vote: Ankamius

-Ether

[Wisdom]

Assuming that the scum are doing framejobs because Firebringer, who died without ever speaking to the rest of the scumteam, selfhammered, is dumb.

wtf does Firebringer have to do with framejobs?

[Scatterplot]

Ashnard was probably killed in order to point to me, given his declaration of me being confscum and such

I definitely agree the modus operandi of the scumteam is framing people.

It's almost as if I said this yesterday about someone else!

Someone who I could have sworn I said was being framed by Firebringer, which you ignored me on! Wonder why.

-Ether

[Wisdom]

Oh, that.

That doesn't cover framejobs at large. Do you disagree scum could have killed Ashnard to frame me?

[Wisdom]

Ank, I really don't think Spiffeh is scum. I really liked their read progression on me, they suspected me where they reasonably should suspected me, they figured I'm town where they reasonably should be seeing I'm town. Also, the in-fighting between Marquis and Spiffeh on whether they should vote Firebringer or Sakura? Doubt that comes from scum. They could have just agreed to vote Sakura.

[Wisdom]

Also Ether, you're calling Ranger's point dumb yet sheeping her..?

[Scatterplot]

I think it's more likely that you're just scum. I think you're fully capable of saying the things Ranger pointed out as scum, and the KT-you exchange that Gorkington found (and that I voted you for yesterday) makes you

more

likely to be scum, not less.

There's no way I'm going to count Ashnard's death as a point in your favor. The fact that it's technically possible doesn't make it more likely than other reasons for the kill.

-Ether

[Scatterplot]

I think that her reasons for writing you off are wrong, and things like that are just confirmation bias. But I don't really care. An Ankamius lynch is fine with me anyway and I don't think I'm going to suddenly start having the energy to fight you today.

-Ether

[Wisdom]

More likely, maybe not, but you can't discard the possibility and call it dumb. It's like you're whining that people are considering it, because you don't want them to townread me.