Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[ika]

Something smart are you an alt?

[Something_Smart]

Nope.

[ika]

Nope.

Then what's the comment about me being me?

I got a bit before my next cook so I'm isoing I don't got much though

[SilverWolf]

Yes, ika after I take a nap I can do more. I'm emotionally drained atm. I'll try to answer your points here though.

This game, Shinobi was scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=63530

He used AtE once he was wagoned up. That game he pretty much ignored my hydra and tried to vote us without sorting us. Calling me scum off the bat sounded a lot like that.

I know you remember chosen? Remember how I caught Lucian by not being able to figure out his read progression on anything? Shinobi's behavior plus inability to articulate read on Cobalting was troublesome to me.

beeboy looks like he's trying to figure things out and I agree with most of what he says, he's also active and engaged

Where do you see him looking like scum? Posts?

Also, Do you agree or disagree about Shinobi and if you disagree, why did you sheep me on it?

I'll be back in a couple hours. I can't keep my eyes open. ika-text when you get off work, I'll have my phone with me

[ika]

I will. I'll check the games and everything also. I can quote stuff when home.

But again, this is the kind of dicussion I was looking for now that we are doing it. I guess it took me a bit to fully realize this is the interaction I need to sort you. Sorry for earlier.

Time to cook! Bbl

[Aeronaut]

Vote beeboy go pats!

Too soon :/

snowman = snow = water = weakness to fire
VOTE: Viva La

Stretchiest post in the thread.
VOTE: beeboy

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

snowman=snow=ice=ice mafia
confirmed scum.

This post is bad too tbh, for the exact same reasons.
Question to both of you: do you think these things are actually relevant? Who else is scum?

Oh hey, Shinobi is scum who's trying to look like he's progressing the game along!

Since not all of you are scum, change of plans:
VOTE: snarky

For not even voting.

Pedit: Do you think that making senseless rvs votes is constructive?

..... so you made an RVS vote, after telling people they're scummy for making RVS votes.

This whole page is dumb.

VOTE: Viva

Why vote Viva? He has a case on Shinobi? Like this post makes it seem like you're bored with what's going on, but you casually vote the person voting Shinobi without any sort of reasoning.

{beeboy}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi}
{Viva la Gloria}

It seems hella early for this.

I find it weird how Shinobi comes in with an RVS vote, followed by bashing everyone's RVS votes, followed by another RVS vote.
I can understand trying to get out of RVS early, but that wasn't what he was doing. But I think it would be unusual for scum to call attention to themselves that early.
I also find it weird how Viva meta'd Shinobi right away and spit back his profile information. I think this is more likely to be scum than Shinobi, seeing as it's an early push for a reason that seems NAI to me.

While I don't agree about the NAI part, I do follow your logic here, and this post seems kind of town to me.

All of these votes are bad, even by rvs standards.

In the off chance you aren't trying to get a reaction out of people what do you think an ideal RVS is?

A short one where people push to get out of it ASAP.

Yea, he's making it

very clear

that he is contributing and helping the game move along. It's like he's more interested in everyone knowing he's being beneficial, then actually being beneficial.

Viva, why are you townreading Something Smart?
Cobalt ing, why are you scum reading them?

Getting weird vibes from Aristophanes this page.

Oh lol there's two SS's.
Aristo, do you think Viva is scum? Or do you just want to pressure him?
VOTE: Viva

There's no world in which this question would be beneficial to ask.

...And?

RVSing is normal.
You participate in RVS normally and don't have an established history of attacking it.

You called people out on the first page for doing RVS votes and asked them who their legitimate scumreads are, like they should have them. That's absolute nonsense.

Good point.

You're not really describing anything that actually relates to scum motivation either.
You're just pointing to a thing and saying "this is different!" without any sense of context. It seems rather silly.

Good point too.

Awkward and bizarre behaviour is scum indicative because you're uncomfortable playing scum and make weird plays trying too hard to look like you're scumhunting in pursuit of trying to look towny.
I have context; I've read a bunch of your games' RVSes. This is not normal at all.

Ok, I guess.

Shinobi gives me the feeling that he's trying to avoid being suspected. Which he's not doing a very good job at.

VOTE: Shinobi

EWWWWWW

Masquerade is 100% jumping on the bandwagon right here. Just like "good point" twice, and then he gives that generic-ass statement at the bottom, "Shinobi gives me the feeling that he's trying to avoid being suspected".

I can confidently say I have no reads right now.

gee thanks

You colossally slipped up on page 1 and the rest of your play has been an incredibly forced attempt to look like a good boy scumhunter.

Where do you think you get off asking people what their 'other townreads' are and criticizing RVS votes on the first page?

Riddle me this batman.

Someone trying to push the game forward.

Again, letting everyone know how much you're moving the game along.


That's only up to page four, probably more to come tomorrow. Shinbone/Masq are top scum in my opinion, but like there's more to read.

[Shinobi]

Aero you're aware somebody asked me what I was doing, right?

[Shinobi]

I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.

[ika]

I'm driving home expect a post later

[Aristophanes]

I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.

Really?
I liked it...

Also, Aero, I am awkward a lot.
Just sayin'

[ika]

Ok I'm home but I'm watching chopped. I'll be here tonight though

[Shinobi]

I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.

Really?
I liked it...

Also, Aero, I am awkward a lot.
Just sayin'

Why?

[Shinobi]

Also I'm sorta wavering on Silver being scum.
Her whole spiel on why she distrusts me makes sense from her pov the more she talks about it, even if it's incorrect.

[ika]

ok im done with the show im gonna go read back and respond proepr if not done so already

[ika]

it took him form 212 to 230 to finally vote me when i have kept nagging at him to vote me

[ika]

basicly the porgression between the two post does not make sense to me if he agreed with it to start with why did he withold the vote for so long

also i iso SO and yes i can agree with a scum read on him

[Something_Smart]

Nope.

Then what's the comment about me being me?

I've read some of your games and I've seen how you act around SW, and it's a lot easier to see that a vote is idiosyncratic rather than scummy if it's not on a major wagon.

[beeboy]

These posts are long and scary so I will read them in morning since I have some uni apps to finish up.

[Masquerade]

I would love to comment but I just got home from a busy shift and need sleep so will be back later.

[Aristophanes]

I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.

Really?
I liked it...

Also, Aero, I am awkward a lot.
Just sayin'

Why?

He covered some of the main points and came out with reads from them. He didn't vote despite a scumlean because he isn't caught up. As catchup posts go, it was good for content analysis without being bulky, off topic, or agenda pushing.
What's not to like?

Or do you mean why am I awkward sometimes?
Because I don't have a good answer for that.

[Viva La Gloria]

Can we get more The_Shadow votes?

I think it's better in multiball to lynch the inactive players than the heavy posters.

[Something_Smart]

I think it's better to lynch scum, idk about you man...

[Aristophanes]

I think it's better to lynch scum, idk about you man...

Dumb statements are dumb.

[Viva La Gloria]

Shinobi's probably not scum though?
And even if he is he's an awful day one lynch.
Vote someone who is trying to stay under the radar, like Shadow.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: the_shadow
I can do a shadow lynch.