Mini 1747: Cinnamon Roll Mafia Endgame

davesaz · Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:22 am

Did Soapbar claim something?

davesaz · Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:22 am

Cop enabler is a scum role.

davesaz · Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:40 am

In post 1199, FA_Q2 wrote:you avoided the question.

I have never seen town dave avoid a topic so damn thoroughly. I don't really see why you are resistant to the idea if a no lynch anyway - you are the only one that is going to get lynched today.

I will repeat, lynching me is one of the few ways that town can lose this game. I'm gonna probably take a bullet for the cop, who

should

investigate someone else to get a firm guilty.
You haven't seen me so thoroughly pissed off at a town before. If I tried to telegraph my alignment any harder it might cross over into trust tell territory. What scum says they have

no

town reads?
RC probably knew something and we could have probably lynched scum yesterday. I can get playing scummy so as not to get NK'd, but that slot took it too far.

Syndesis · Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:59 am

Why is cop enabler a scum role though? I mean, I think it works in this setup as either, depending on what scum have.

3dicerolling · Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:52 pm

Votecount: 4.1

Soapbar - (1) Davesaz
FA_Q2 - (0)
Thestatusquo - (0)
iraonavp - (0)
Syndesis - (0)
davesaz - (1) iraonavp
No lynch - (1) Thestatusquo

Not voting: Soapbar, FA_Q2, Syndesis,

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Day 4 ends (expired on 2016-02-12 15:50:34)

davesaz · Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:23 pm

UNVOTE:
Still think it's a scum role, but lynching it is worse than keeping it.

FA_Q2 · Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:13 pm

In post 1202, davesaz wrote:
In post 1199, FA_Q2 wrote:you avoided the question.

I have never seen town dave avoid a topic so damn thoroughly. I don't really see why you are resistant to the idea if a no lynch anyway - you are the only one that is going to get lynched today.

I will repeat, lynching me is one of the few ways that town can lose this game. I'm gonna probably take a bullet for the cop, who
should
investigate someone else to get a firm guilty.
You haven't seen me so thoroughly pissed off at a town before. If I tried to telegraph my alignment any harder it might cross over into trust tell territory. What scum says they have
no
town reads?
RC probably knew something and we could have probably lynched scum yesterday. I can get playing scummy so as not to get NK'd, but that slot took it too far.

I don't think RC knew anything or he was at least not sharing. One of his roles was neighborizer which was used on me. He also claimed that was his only role. The only thing brought up in the hood was that he wanted to go after synd today and possibly TSQ.

Considering that TSQ states that synd is town I don't think that any of his other powers gave any real information.

FA_Q2 · Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:16 pm

In post 1202, davesaz wrote:
In post 1199, FA_Q2 wrote:you avoided the question.

I have never seen town dave avoid a topic so damn thoroughly. I don't really see why you are resistant to the idea if a no lynch anyway - you are the only one that is going to get lynched today.

I will repeat, lynching me is one of the few ways that town can lose this game. I'm gonna probably take a bullet for the cop, who
should
investigate someone else to get a firm guilty.
You haven't seen me so thoroughly pissed off at a town before. If I tried to telegraph my alignment any harder it might cross over into trust tell territory. What scum says they have
no
town reads?
RC probably knew something and we could have probably lynched scum yesterday. I can get playing scummy so as not to get NK'd, but that slot took it too far.

And I will repeat that you avoid the question and dance around the topic that what your analysis is on what is going to make town lose is utterly worthless. What makes you think that town will trust you?

davesaz · Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:13 pm

I don't know what you think I'm avoiding.
I am a bodyguard. I save the cop tonight, the cop gets a result, town wins.
I don't save the cop, town is much more likely to lose.
How is that not obvious?

davesaz · Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:14 pm

Or town can not trust me, lynch me, and lose immediately. Your choice.

davesaz · Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:16 pm

Either put up or shut up. I'm done listening to how I'm big bad scum. Either lynch me or shut the fuck up. I'd vote myself right now if playing against wincon weren't ban worthy.

Syndesis · Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:03 pm

In post 1206, FA_Q2 wrote:I don't think RC knew anything or he was at least not sharing. One of his roles was neighborizer which was used on me. He also claimed that was his only role. The only thing brought up in the hood was that he wanted to go after synd today and possibly TSQ.

Please elaborate.

Syndesis · Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:03 pm

In post 1208, davesaz wrote:I don't know what you think I'm avoiding.

FA is asking why it is optimal to no action as BG.

Syndesis · Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:04 pm

In post 1201, davesaz wrote:Cop enabler is a scum role.

probably relevant

ISO · Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:12 pm

Ok. Still no reason not to just no lynch here. Dave BGs me. If I die he is scum. If I don't die I get another result.

davesaz · Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:46 pm

Assuming that mafia don't have a roleblock -- but if they do then we're probably lost anyway.

ISO · Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:51 pm

Once again, hand wringing about roles that may or may not be in the setup is 100% irrelevant.

There is a much greater probability that we lose by lynching today that there is to a mafia aligned roleblocker which we have no reason to believe is in the setup.

It's just a fucking exceedingly dumb argument.

davesaz · Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:59 pm

In post 1212, Syndesis wrote:
In post 1208, davesaz wrote:I don't know what you think I'm avoiding.

FA is asking why it is optimal to no action as BG.

If a BG is going to die, better to die saving a cop. It's like a 1-shot role where timing matters.
I'm asserting that waiting for the cop to reveal is optimal.
There are more good outcomes for town from waiting than from not waiting. Granted it takes combinatoric logic to be able to know it offhand without writing them all down.

Pedit: I mention the possibility because you're deciding guilt (and therefore whether town wins or loses) based on an outcome which is not 100%.
That's another thing I do as town. I never say something is either 100% or 0%. There is

always

a chance a theory is wrong. The only guaranteed flip is one written by a mod in a non-bastard game.

Syndesis · Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:01 pm

I'm still all for no-lynching (it doesn't lose us anything), but things may not happen as intended if there is a roleblocker in play.

Davesaz

, why did you assert that cop enabler

had

to be scum when you had previously been a town one yourself?

davesaz · Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:04 pm

In post 1213, Syndesis wrote:
In post 1201, davesaz wrote:Cop enabler is a scum role.

probably relevant

I was an

unaware

cop enabler

in that game. Big difference.

davesaz · Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:05 pm

I have also been in a game with a mafia aware cop enabler.

davesaz · Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:06 pm

Note, you have to find my flip in that game in order to get the unaware part, and then it's in a spoiler. I was just as surprised as everyone else.

davesaz · Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:07 pm

BTW, that STFU a few pages ago was an order. Follow it or I'll go ahead and risk that ban.

davesaz · Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:10 pm

EBWOP posts ago. I'm angry.

Syndesis · Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:24 pm

Not sure if you're talking to me there, but I am actually trying to determine your alignment to my own satisfaction.

Why does the awareness make a difference in how you see the role (genuine question)? I do agree that a scum cop enabler could be very possible here, but IMO there's no reason to rule out a town one (which you appear to have done). Additionally, if Soapbar is scum, do you think they're trueclaiming?