Open 620: Duck Duck Goose Game Over, Mafia Victory

[droog]

You read everyone on that wagon as town.

i nevr denied the possibility
i examined the wagon and was fine
to not chase the people on it

[Something Pip]

What I am about to do is, whether you agree with it or not, is intended to play to my win condition. I am town. Town needs to generate information. That information has been generated but is being buried under noise from scum who keep repeating the same arguments and not listening to responses. I don't want it buried any more. Scum have revealed themselves by voting for me and still not managed to get enough votes because of inactive players.

I am now no longer worried about you being town, yeesh "scum have revealed themselves"...

I can do this because I used my PGO last night therefore I am now no longer anything other than a vanilla townie. Therefore my role now is expendable.

The only point of saying this is to seem towny. It doesn't help any analysis at all, and hurts the gamestate if you live through today somehow

I want you to remember these things:

Droog advocated focusing on RF3 if I flip town, but Newbie if I flip scum. Yet he gave the same reason for both that they were aiding me and backing me up. Yet he could not explain why they should be treated different. If Droog was town then he'd be thinking that if I flip scum then he should tunnel both Newbie and RF3, and look elsewhere if I flip town. But what he did was lay out optimal scum strategy. He knows that I will flip town so wants to seed people with the idea that somehow this means that RF3 needs to be lynched next.

This is a decent point, but hurt a shit ton by you voting for egg instead of droog. This is more confidant than you have been for any of your other reads, yet you have never advocated for a Droog counterwagon today.

Newbie has always been close to being lynched anyway so she would likely be the next target anyway. Droog would only advocate this if he was scum. He was thinking about scum needs to do next and not what town needs to do. This is why it is a scum slip.

People really need to stop saying this, it is scummy but in no way is a scumslip. Scumslips are almost NAI imo honestly.

My scum reads are Droog, Something Pip, and either Egg or Trow. I was wondering about Karnage also being scum when he moved onto my lynch wagon when I goaded him to, but overall I am going to revert back to my town lean on him.

Both Droog and Something Pip have deliberately twisted what people have said to make them look suspicious. You can read their posts and wonder how they misunderstood what was said so badly.

If that was true you should have actually had posts where you made this point instead of throwing it in before your selfvote gambit.

I am no longer at L-1 so it will be interesting to see who jumps back on my wagon to hammer me. Please do not let this be a waste because town will lose otherwise.

VOTE: Mathilda

So you have selfvoted. Now as someone that has done this twice and actually got townread for it both times, this selfvote is really bad. You are putting yourself at L-1 where someone you are sure is town is currently pushing an ally of yours and has stated intent to return to your wagon. My other head complained about leaving your wagon, if you actually thought we were scum here know that this post 100% would have been a hammer. Even right now there are so many contradictions with this selfvote that I really want to hammer here, but I want a little more analysis and some posts from taly and Johnny. I don't think your posts ever helps your wincon, but I think there is the "I might get townread for this" logic as scum which isn't present as town since you would just think my slot would hammer you, which honestly is probably is going to happen.

-pip
TLDR: Mathilda finally started voting for scum.

[Karnage]

Karnage I agree about the scum ploy.
But please, Mathilda's been so ridiculously antitown. Now she's claimed to have armed N1 when the scum would have had a -10000% chance of killing her if she were town given the pressure, and she's self voted. Let's get rid of this first.
-the smart head

Kinda strange that you don't seem to want to be the person to drop the hammer... instead you are trying to let me do it.

[Something Pip]

Mod can we have a VC please?

Did I miscount? I counted twice and I'm pretty sure Mathilda is at L-2.
If you vote I will be happy to drop the hammer.
-the smart head

[Karnage]

Mod can we have a VC please?

Did I miscount? I counted twice and I'm pretty sure Mathilda is at L-2.
If you vote I will be happy to drop the hammer.
-the smart head

No you are right, I miscounted

if there is no interest in lynch RF3 instead VOTE: mathilda

[MrTrow]

@Mathilda

I've said my piece

Am i to take this to mean you have no intent what so ever to answer:

Also, i would like to hear your thoughts on RF3's attempts to keep you from presenting those 2 cases.

Even if you consider

I explained several times now that my case against Droog and Something Pip stemmed from them denying the possibility that there were scum on the Lowell wagon and all their scum reads being people who were not on it. Yet you kept ignoring this and kept demanding that I made a case against Pip.

a decent response to me asking what the case you claim to be pushing actually is (because it is lost somewhere in a list of long posts etc)

My point 'RF3 did not feel the same way and was actively trying to stop me from asking' still stands.
So especially given his 'fuck everyone in this game, fuck the game itself, fuck even those who share my slot' double-down on faked-townie-outrage (and blatant refusal to answer WHY).
What do you think about his recent actions?

At this point i prefer to lynch RF3 over you. (but not by much).
Give me something to work with.

[MrTrow]

Like you've legitimately put me in a position where the correct play for us would be to post our role PM and get modkilled so you'd know that I'm town here and stop sheeping scum onto crap wagons.
Taly insisted on BPing N1 because he figured that we'd get NKed with me in the hydra so we can't even return fire.
This game is just nonsensical.
last post, bye!

NO, JUST NO.

The correct play would be, you answering some damn questions.
You explaining WHY the slot who at least several townies are on(5 + effectively me and pip: is at least 4 townies), is (so obviously) town. Would be helpful.
So would answering WHY you were actively preventing attempts to get reads out of this slot.
So would kicking a certain other head of yours into answering the exact same question.

[droog]

everything said above looks fine
im ready for the wagon to hammer

[Mathilda]

So especially given his 'fuck everyone in this game, fuck the game itself, fuck even those who share my slot' double-down on faked-townie-outrage (and blatant refusal to answer WHY).
What do you think about his recent actions?

I completely understand where he is coming from and feel the same way.

[Egg]

I skimmed since my last post. Came here to announce V/LA but if a hammer happens I guess it doesn't matter. I'll check back in 17 or 18 hours. This is also me saying I'm fine with a hammer.

[itlepip]

VOTE: mathilda

[Something Pip]

VOTE: mathilda

In case mod doesn't count it.
VOTE: Mathilda
Fine with an RF3 lynch tomorrow.

If Mathilda flips town I have a few choice words for her postgame.
-the smart head

[Mathilda]

If Mathilda flips town I have a few choice words for her postgame.
-the smart head

And if you flip town, prepare to get some back!

[Mathilda]

Just remember who bulldozed two mislynches. Don't let them do any more.

[droog]

if youre really town

we need a lost postgame chat
about how to push counterwagons

[Karnage]

and now we wait...

[Marcrell]

Vote Count 2.2

Mathilda: Droog, shaddowez, Egg, Mathilda, Karnage, Something_Pip [Lynch]
Egg: RadiantalyFarrar3, Newbie
RadiantalyFarrar3: MrTrow
Not Voting:Burning_Earth, Scorpious
With 11 alive you need 6 to lynch.

Seeking replacement for Burning_Earth.

Mathilda was lynched, they were a

One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner

Night 2 begins!

(expired on 2016-01-31 00:16:34)

@Mod: What is your policy on hydras posting with their mains?

I'd feel much more comfortable on a Mathilda wagon. She was fairly obviously flailing. Lynching RF3 is not a bad idea but I'm less certain with that.
Trow, Egg, I think you both should vote Mathilda or explain why not.

Try not to. As long as it's clear who posted it, it's fine a few times. Otherwise, please quote it with your hydra.

It's bullshit whether he's town or scum. He's either town who is threatening to ruin the game or he's scum who is breaking rules. And either way he's pulling BS just to get his way.

Mod, RC pulled himself from the game already and has implied he's willing to break rules. Can you confirm that he is out of the game and can not return?

Since they didn't request replacement for the Hydra, not particularly much I can do. RC should quit if he says he will, but as long as he doesn't actually violate the rules, not particularly much I can do.

If this continues I will take action. I trust it won't.

Jeanne11 replaces Scorpious effective immediately.

[Marcrell]

As you wake up in the morning you find that Jeane11 has been brutally murdered. They were a

One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner

Seeking replacement for RadiantalyFarrar3

(expired on 2016-02-16 00:38:01)

[Egg]

Vote Newbie

My thoughts on her haven't changed. There's got to be scum on that Mathilda lynch but I'm not quite sure where. I want to say Karnage but I'm just not as confident he's scum as I am with Newbie.

[Titus]

Hey, I am here.
it's like 1:30 am, reading tomorrow after work.

[Something Pip]

Vote Newbie

My thoughts on her haven't changed. There's got to be scum on that Mathilda lynch but I'm not quite sure where. I want to say Karnage but I'm just not as confident he's scum as I am with Newbie.

I mean it could be you.

[Karnage]

@Something Pip, you still fine with an RF3 lynch despite them replacing out?

[Egg]

Vote Newbie

My thoughts on her haven't changed. There's got to be scum on that Mathilda lynch but I'm not quite sure where. I want to say Karnage but I'm just not as confident he's scum as I am with Newbie.

I mean it could be you.

From your PoV, sure. But I obviously ruled that out based on my Role PM.

[Titus]

VOTE: Replacing in Slot

Why would town announce they imploded n1? At best it create wifom for scum, which they have anyway. At worst, it encourages people to out this information.

Given no scumflips I still need to read the rest, but that really stood out.

[Egg]

Or it's just ridiculously bad town play...