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[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Elyse]

@Everyone
Are you townreading SirCakez?

If you answered yes, explain why.
If you answered no, vote him.

Thank you.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy why are you still voting camn?

This was a question about why he hadn't moved his vote yet since he was scumreading other people harder, unrelated to the camn case

I'm actually pretty sure Camn is scum ..... ....I think she's actually just scum again here.

I don't see this at all. Explain?

One

Can someone explain the case on camn to me? I'm not seeing it.

Okay twice

I have no intention of ever voting camn as of right now because I don't see anything scummy from them.

This was a declaration as people were pushing the camn wagon and I didn't want to join it, unrelated to the case on camn.

Yeah, I really don't like Sircakez either.
I think my Camn read is a much stronger line though.
Could easily see them as buddies, as well!

Explain?

This was aimed at why RC didn't like me, unrelated to the case on camn.

So two of these are legitimate.

[SirCakez]

Ty camn.

Tictac could be scum but I don't really care about him right now even though he's #trending in this game.

But Cakez has shown no scumhunting initiative. His ISO is full of him defending himself, explaining himself, or asking other people to do stuff. There's nothing that even makes me THINK he's town.

All of those are behaviors you would see from a townie being tunneled for bad reasons and you're trying to frame it like they aren't.

[SirCakez]

Like Elyse, do you believe town should not defend their self, explain their self or ask other people questions and to do stuff?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have way too many scumreads.

[SirCakez]

Tictac needs more votes.
UTL and ika both need to be doing more. Both of their bad votes on RC need to go somewhere useful.

I'm also really not liking CKD right now. His ISO is full of questions he doesn't follow up on, naked votes that go nowhere and generally look like he's trying to blend in.

[Performer]

VOTE COUNT 1.07

RadiantCowbells (3): ika, acryon, UpTooLate
SirCakez (3): curiouskarmadog, Camn, Elyse
tictac (2): a plain farmer, SirCakez
Camn (2): tictac, RadiantCowbells
Elyse (1): Lokiben

No Vote (2): Zulfy, Some Random Mafia Player

With 13 players alive, it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

For deadline & notes, please refer to this post – post 3 !

[a plain farmer]

Plain farmer are those players your four scum reads? What do you think of CKD?

Those four players were the only ones with multi-vote wagons. I only have substantial scumreads on SirCakez and tictac.

Cakez's support of wagons has been mostly in the background rather than foreground, which I find scummy, and when it has come to giving scumreads, he has copied from the reads of others.

The main focus of his exertions has been defending himself. As he said, townies should defend themselves, but it's the ratio of his defense to offense that seems scummy.

The phrasing of some of his posts also seem token, as if he was afraid that adding more than was necessary would risk the escape of something from a scum subconscious (see 218, 221, 223, 258, 260, and 326).

Tictac's response to the wagon on him has been OK, and he's no longer the scummiest in this thread.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

And to answer your question on CKD, he worries me a little bit, but my instinct is to punt on the issue of lurkers and come back to it D2.

[SirCakez]

How has tictac's response to the wagon been OK? He's ignoring it.

[SirCakez]

I'm going to serve up a readslist when I get home. I need to organize these reads.

[SirCakez]

And all of those "token posts" you linked were posted from my phone, so yeah they would naturally come through short and concise.

[SirCakez]

SRMP who are you scumreading and why aren't you voting them?

[UpTooLate]

UTL and ika both need to be doing more. Both of their bad votes on RC need to go somewhere useful.

Like on you? I mean I know I haven't been around as much as I'd have liked, RL happens, but you really haven't said much on anybody yourself. Let's see, you've wagon hopped, I asked you what you thought about tictac, and all you said was, "Scummy. Don't like his camn or zulfy votes."

Why

don't you like them?

I don't necessarily like Elyse either. Elyse's entire interaction with Loki seemed overdone and and her reasoning for thinking he's scummy is too forced IMO. She seemed to be trying to dodge an actual conversation with him with snark and reluctance to answer his questions. And yes, I mistakenly wrote "literally" too many times, and I didn't notice until after I posted it. Didn't think it'd make a big difference. Oops. I'll ebwop next time.

On the flip side, I like Loki's posts. He's trying to get Elyse to engage and put something behind her accusations, which she doesn't seem to want/be able to do. Question though, what are your thoughts SirCakez?

Zulfy's just dodging prods?

Ika doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything. You wanted people to give you something to go off of bc you didn't want to read, but you complain about the "pages of walls."

Farmer makes a good point about the Elyse/Loki interaction, I didn't see it like that. Something to consider. I also like his thoughts on Cakez and his wagon hopping. I get an overall town feel from him.

I'll do everyone else later when I have more time.

[SirCakez]

Same thing I said about SRMP also applies to Zulfy.

We lynch Random.

Flips green we lynch tictac.
Flips red we lynch me for setting up lynch trains

It's page 4. You think I must be scum if I go after town on page 4?
How much mafia exp do you have?

Sounds like chaining mislynches to me.
VOTE: Zulfy

Takes a super awkward stance on Zulfy here based on a pretty obvious joke.

camn:
I do agree that she might well be scum. She knows I will be on guard against her buddying me again, so it makes sense her scum tactic would be to push me at the earliest opportunity.
It's not like what I was going for with the Rando push is that hard to get.
PC did pretty much the same thing in out previous game after all.
Really weird that she seems to think me having page 3 reasons on page 3 is scummy. I don't buy it.

Also keeping her options open with Rando.
I don't like 'not having an avatar is scummy'. One of of the townies in the last game didn't have one for a large part of day 1. I would like Rando to get an avatar, but calling not having one scummy? No.
I don't like 'this is squirming'. Randos reaction to my push was pretty towny actually, what with trying to figure out why I was pushing instead of jumping to OMGUS.

On balance, I am feeling this
VOTE: camn

Uses the excuse of "she'll push me early as scum" and her thinking page 3 reasons is scummy to vote which are both bad reasons. The "not having an avatar is scummy" part is also bad because there's no scum motivation in that push since no one agreed with her and she was taking a ton of flak for it but kept her stance.

[SirCakez]

Readslist
(Lokiben, RC)
(Elyse, Plain Farmer, Acryon)
(Zulfy, UTL, Camn)
(Ika, SRMP, CKD)
(tictac)

Can explain any of these reads if wanted.

[Elyse]

Like Elyse, do you believe town should not defend their self, explain their self or ask other people questions and to do stuff?

This is just a terrible, scummy post.

The question is not only stupid, but the answer is obvious. Yes town should do that, but town should ALSO and MORE IMPORTANTLY scumhunt. Which you aren't doing. Maybe in your latest posts after some pressure was applied you're starting to.

[SirCakez]

Yeah my scumhunting hasn't been good so far this game. I've been tied up trying to defend myself but apparently that's why everyone's scumreading me for so I'm trying to move away from that.

[SirCakez]

On the flip side, I like Loki's posts. He's trying to get Elyse to engage and put something behind her accusations, which she doesn't seem to want/be able to do. Question though, what are your thoughts SirCakez?

My thoughts on Elyse vs Loki? I think it's T v T right now. Loki's entrance wasn't as scummy as Elyse is making it out to be but I don't see scum pushing it as far and hard as Elyse has and Loki's response has been logical and townie.

[UpTooLate]

On the flip side, I like Loki's posts. He's trying to get Elyse to engage and put something behind her accusations, which she doesn't seem to want/be able to do. Question though, what are your thoughts SirCakez?

My thoughts on Elyse vs Loki? I think it's T v T right now. Loki's entrance wasn't as scummy as Elyse is making it out to be but I don't see scum pushing it as far and hard as Elyse has and Loki's response has been logical and townie.

Thanks for that. But I forgot the word "on." I was actually asking Loki his thoughts on you.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Everyone
Are you townreading SirCakez?

If you answered yes, explain why.
If you answered no, vote him.

Thank you.

why r u ordering me around.

[UpTooLate]

@Everyone
Are you townreading SirCakez?

If you answered yes, explain why.
If you answered no, vote him.

Thank you.

why r u ordering me around.

Somebody needs to. You're not doing anything on your own.

[SirCakez]

RC I have a townread on you but it's going to dissipate if you keep being uncooperative.

[RadiantCowbells]

since when do you townread me for being cooperative?

VOTE: Sircakez

[SirCakez]

Maybe the RC wagon isn't as bad as I thought.