Blitz 24: Great Idea Mafia

[RadiantCowbells]

Like this is just the way I play.
Ask anyone who knows me; I greatly prefer playing as town.
I value the games that I play town and perform well far over the games that I play scum.

I would never put my town play on the back burner to further a scum meta and have never done so.

[Persivul]

And I said that I take your word on that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm not even sure if you're for reals here about this because you're probably scum anyway and maybe you're just trying to get my goat.
But I do well as scum not because my meta enables me to do so, I assure you.

[Lucky2u]

Vote Count 2.2

RadiantCowbells (L-3)- Persivul
Some Random Mafia Player (L-4)-
lilith2013 (L-3)- Ranger
Ranger (L-4)-
Persivul (L-3)- RadiantCowbells
Guiltylion (L-4)-
Xtoxm (L-4)-

Not Voting: Some Random Mafia Player Guiltylion Xtoxm lilith2013

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline in (expired on 2016-02-05 22:00:00)

[Persivul]

Like I'm not even sure if you're for reals here about this because you're probably scum anyway and maybe you're just trying to get my goat.
But I do well as scum not because my meta enables me to do so, I assure you.

I'm for real. You put out a lot of selective statistics for yourself - 100% scum win rate, never mislynched D1 - so I wanted to see the whole picture. It only took a few minutes. And again, I know I suck too. I'm not claiming any differently.

[Persivul]

I don't understand why Lilith's so obsessed with the vote on her or why she's not voting Persivul when she's talking like she's scumreading him.

Let me think.

Why are you so interested in Persivul's vote on you if you don't think it's scum opportunism?
If you think it's scum opportunism, why aren't you voting him?

It sort of feels like you're more interested in the vote than his alignment atm.

These are the first townie posts you've made today.

[Ranger]

Ranger - Your succinct approach to your reads is frustrating. Can you go into more detail? RC in particular we are reading very differently and you've given nothing there other to state he is strong town.

Well for just a start...you said it yourself: who could RC be scum with? There's nobody who really fits. No possible buddy, not actually scum.

VOTE: Persivul
Alright, this is scum.

Definitely possible. I'm not absolutely sure. I actually am thinking Persivul and lilith may not share an alignment, but I'm no longer certain which would be town and which would be scum.

I suppose it's still possible they're partners, though, given he immediately hops off.

Persivul's just voting everyone who gets under any pressure atm.

This is true. I may switch my vote, depending on the current gamestate. (Let me catch up first.)

[Ranger]

VOTE: Persivul.
On page 27, I see indicators that lilith

could

be town. (Not sure, but she could be.)
I see more indicators Persivul would be scum, too.

[GuiltyLion]

Yeah I think I'm coming around to scum!Persivul as I read these pages

There's a bunch of little things that bother me

Sheeping Ranger, who looks town now. And just because this game is boring.

I don't like how he had to clarify this vote with "because the game is boring". It pings me as preemptively defensive, like he knows his vote is bad as he is making it.

Ranger's reads are generally better than mine, and her last posts feel similar to recent town games.

I don't like this either, basically for reasons RC stated. If someone strongly scumreads a slot that I'm townreading, even if I respect their towngame immensely, I am more likely to think their scumread is questionable or faked than I am to think my townread is completely wrong.

And then the multiball "slip" argument is terrible, especially given that we just mislynched itlepip for a far worse "slip" in this game and he explicitly pointed out that slips don't really work in catching scum.

Also I don't understand why the argument about RC's play being detrimental to town is at all relevant here. Persivul isn't arguing that RC is scum because of it, he's arguing that RC's towngame is bad. Why is that indicative of his alignment in this particular game?

RC the reason I can't come to a decision on your slot is because you've faked me out extremely well as scum before. I feel like no matter how strongly I townread you, I will always be paranoid.

[lilith2013]

VOTE: Persivul.
On page 27, I see indicators that lilith

could

be town. (Not sure, but she could be.)
I see more indicators Persivul would be scum, too.

Out of all the pages that you could pick to potentially townread me, you pick the one where I misread the game, become irrationally angry, and attack Pers for voting me when he's not even voting me?

I'm more confused than ever.

[Xtoxm]

RC the reason I can't come to a decision on your slot is because you've faked me out extremely well as scum before. I feel like no matter how strongly I townread you, I will always be paranoid.

This sounds kinda fake. What in RC's play are you strong townreading, btw.

I've yet to see RC be scum but i've seen him as town a bunch of times, and he feels different here. I've never seen him so survivalistic, and so intent to discredit those who have pressured him. I feel like he's merely campaigning for a lynch, rather than actually trying to lynch scum.

[Persivul]

Yeah I think I'm coming around to scum!Persivul as I read these pages

Don't come around all day, then come on to make one post against me after Ranger does. And nothing else. Interesting.

[Persivul]

Ranger - Your succinct approach to your reads is frustrating. Can you go into more detail? RC in particular we are reading very differently and you've given nothing there other to state he is strong town.

Well for just a start...you said it yourself: who could RC be scum with? There's nobody who really fits. No possible buddy, not actually scum.

VOTE: Persivul
Alright, this is scum.

Definitely possible. I'm not absolutely sure. I actually am thinking Persivul and lilith may not share an alignment, but I'm no longer certain which would be town and which would be scum.

I suppose it's still possible they're partners, though, given he immediately hops off.

Persivul's just voting everyone who gets under any pressure atm.

This is true. I may switch my vote, depending on the current gamestate. (Let me catch up first.)

It's called shaking up a dead game. Your play is nice and safe, but if we all play like that, there'd be like 5 pages.

[Lucky2u]

Some random mafia player has been prodded.

[Lucky2u]

Vote Count 2.3

RadiantCowbells (L-3)- Persivul
Some Random Mafia Player (L-4)-
lilith2013 (L-4)-
Ranger (L-4)-
Persivul (L-2)- RadiantCowbells Ranger
Guiltylion (L-4)-
Xtoxm (L-4)-

Not Voting: Some Random Mafia Player Guiltylion Xtoxm lilith2013

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline in (expired on 2016-02-05 22:00:00)

[GuiltyLion]

This sounds kinda fake. What in RC's play are you strong townreading, btw.

I've yet to see RC be scum but i've seen him as town a bunch of times, and he feels different here. I've never seen him so survivalistic, and so intent to discredit those who have pressured him. I feel like he's merely campaigning for a lynch, rather than actually trying to lynch scum.

I'm not strongly townreading him in this game, I'm just making the point in general. He expects me to be decisive about his slot and I don't think I can given that I've been decisively wrong before.

Can you explain that last sentence in more detail? When I played with RC as scum, he deathtunneled BBT super intensely and made a very thorough and involved case. I feel like scum!RC is sensitive to the fact that town needs to believe his passion for a lynch, and I'm not seeing as much of that here.

[GuiltyLion]

Yeah I think I'm coming around to scum!Persivul as I read these pages

Don't come around all day, then come on to make one post against me after Ranger does. And nothing else. Interesting.

I kind of have a life sometimes. What other things were you expecting me to do?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

This game is so dead.

gonna figure out if theres anything worth posting over.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

This game has gone nowhere and we dont have much time

VOTE: Persivul

to get a lynch done.

[Persivul]

I sign up to play a game in order to actually play the game. So, when a game goes dead, I keep posting. That requires going outside the box and unfortunately, whether town or scum, I get scum read for it. So, yeah, you may as well lynch me.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I sign up to play a game in order to actually play the game. So, when a game goes dead, I keep posting. That requires going outside the box and unfortunately, whether town or scum, I get scum read for it. So, yeah, you may as well lynch me.

actually, its because the game is too dead for us to have time to get onto anyone else, and we arent Nling.

[Persivul]

While I'm still here, last night I developed a setup based on the Purge movies and I'm looking for feedback. If you're interested PM me and I'll send it to you. It's an open setup, probably wildly swingy, but I think it would be pretty fun. Lots of wifom decisions to be made.

[GuiltyLion]

SRMP, do you think Persivul is scum?

And there's plenty of time to choose a different lynch, I'll be here today

[Persivul]

I sign up to play a game in order to actually play the game. So, when a game goes dead, I keep posting. That requires going outside the box and unfortunately, whether town or scum, I get scum read for it. So, yeah, you may as well lynch me.

actually, its because the game is too dead for us to have time to get onto anyone else, and we arent Nling.

So you're not scum reading me, just lynching me for info. Fair enough.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

@Mod, On the votecount, You said persivul was on l-3 with 2 people voting them, when they are supposed to be on l-1

also, (not directed at mod)

Persivul is on l-1