Mini 1758: Game Over

[Elyse]

Pause.

ika lurks as scum.

I am 99.99% sure he is scum.

It's his biggest tell and he does it without fail.

VOTE: ika

Please follow me here. I promise.

I forgot ika was in this game until Cakez reminded me. (Cakez this will give you townpoints. Hop on!)

[RadiantCowbells]

Ika is very busy with IRL stuff atm so I wouldn't read too much into that.

[acryon]

Pause.

ika lurks as scum.

I am 99.99% sure he is scum.

It's his biggest tell and he does it without fail.

VOTE: ika

Please follow me here. I promise.

I forgot ika was in this game until Cakez reminded me. (Cakez this will give you townpoints. Hop on!)

If you're going to keep trying to use meta to lead wagons, this is going to be a very long game.

[tictac]

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

[tictac]

Ika is very busy with IRL stuff atm so I wouldn't read too much into that.

He does have posts elsewhere.

[Performer]

VOTE COUNT 1.09

SirCakez (4): curiouskarmadog, Camn, a plain farmer, RadiantCowbells
RadiantCowbells (3): ika, acryon, UpTooLate
ika (2): Elyse, tictac
tictac (1): SirCakez
Elyse (1): Lokiben

No Vote (2): Zulfy, Some Random Mafia Player

With 13 players alive, it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

For deadline & notes, please refer to this post – post 3 !

[acryon]

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

[tictac]

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

[acryon]

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

You believe it's valid enough to have literally zero other reasoning?

And why do you strongly townread her?

[tictac]

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

You believe it's valid enough to have literally zero other reasoning?

Yeah. Pattern recognition is where humans are strong.
If you want more then it would be stupid of her to lie about this, because it's easily and un-ambiguously checked.

And why do you strongly townread her?

Early mindset had strong feeling of 'solve the game'.
Why would she push Cake when she could have joined my wagon?
Why would she now push Ika as scum? Even if Ika is town that's still a bad lynch for scum. They could have gotten an active townie instead.

[acryon]

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

You believe it's valid enough to have literally zero other reasoning?

Yeah. Pattern recognition is where humans are strong.
If you want more then it would be stupid of her to lie about this, because it's easily and un-ambiguously checked.

Just because she's telling the truth doesn't mean it's a good reason.

And why do you strongly townread her?

Early mindset had strong feeling of 'solve the game'.
Why would she push Cake when she could have joined my wagon?
Why would she now push Ika as scum? Even if Ika is town that's still a bad lynch for scum. They could have gotten an active townie instead.

While there is some validity to solving the game, without flips you can't really speculate on the other things. There are any number of reasons to do the things above as scum. Set up future lynches, stay off the main wagons, etc.

[Elyse]

Normally I don't put much stock into meta but with ika it's different. I'm telling you.

[UpTooLate]

Ika really is posting all over the place. Just not here.

VOTE: Ika

[tictac]

Just because she's telling the truth doesn't mean it's a good reason.

Agree to disagree. As meta goes this is a really simple pattern. I think it's reliable.

While there is some validity to solving the game, without flips you can't really speculate on the other things. There are any number of reasons to do the things above as scum. Set up future lynches, stay off the main wagons, etc.

All kinds of things can be speculated on. Sure there isn't much good info on day 1, but there is much to be seen in what people do with the little they have. How they think in addition to how valid their thinking is.
If she just wanted to stay off the main wagon, she'd have pushed less.
I guess setting up future lynches might be valid on Cakes. I don't think it is on Ika. She'd be setting herself up for a fall in town-standing tomorrow for little reason to do so if Ika flips town.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: ika

im fine with pressuring this slot.

[Elyse]

Also if ika flips scum, acryon dies next.

There is zero reason to oppose a wagon on a lurker at this point, even if its sole purpose is pressure.

[acryon]

Also if ika flips scum, acryon dies next.

There is zero reason to oppose a wagon on a lurker at this point, even if its sole purpose is pressure.

I'm actually fine with pressuring lurkers. I am not fine with saying X person is 100% scum because they are lurking.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ika
Definitely agree this needs a wagon, my second highest scumread. Tictac is still scum though and I will be going over his ISO response soon.

[acryon]

@Mod

I'll be V/LA until Monday morning CST.

[curiouskarmadog]

Here, got 20 minutes or so. going back to page 13. this will catch up as a catch up post and notes for me to look back if I need to. I quote as I read.

Why does RC only have 2 votes? He's literally just flipflopped between Tictac and Camn, and in between joked about being scum. There is literally nothing of substance, he's just hiding behind Camn and Tictac's interaction making comments about it.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

dont like this vote. what would the scum motivation be for this?
EDIT Elyse concurs (329)

[quote="In Something I noticed from curiouskarmadog:

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?

I think that posts like these, where he's asking for elaboration are a little ironic considering:

Every single post by Camn pings my gut

unvote
vote Uptoolate

For that, an FoS.

calling bullshit here. first of all, something SC said here didnt make sense giving his vote. I was trying to catch him in a lie. and yes...I did vote UTL, what I find funny/scummy here is that instead of asking me why, you just gave me an "FOS". why are you not concerned witht he "why" of the vote?

I'm also really not liking CKD right now. His ISO is full of questions he doesn't follow up on, naked votes that go nowhere and generally look like he's trying to blend in.

what questions? You mean the one I asked you? You mean the I asked before I got busy and couldnt post? you mean that fucking question?

@Everyone
Are you townreading SirCakez?

If you answered yes, explain why.
If you answered no, vote him.

Thank you.

why r u ordering me around.

why not answer the question? I want to say this is a scummy post, but I think scum would just ignore it. soooo, why are you being obtuse? do you think that is helpful?
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going to break up this post so it isnt a wall that people will ignore.

[curiouskarmadog]

Pause.

ika lurks as scum.

I am 99.99% sure he is scum.

It's his biggest tell and he does it without fail.

VOTE: ika

Please follow me here. I promise.

I forgot ika was in this game until Cakez reminded me. (Cakez this will give you townpoints. Hop on!)

man I had you on TeamTown until this. IF cakes flips scum, then this looks suspicious has hell.

[curiouskarmadog]

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

and this....except worse. take responsibility for your own vote.

Elyse, what game did you develop this meta from? have you been in games with him that he lurks as town?

[curiouskarmadog]

what the fuck is this random ika wagon for a lurker a thing versus someone who is actually scummy?

[SirCakez]

Hopefully this is readable. My responses are the words after the orange and end with a line break.

Spoiler:

58 - Super off post, wanted to let camn squirm properly?

Why did ya sheep that post if ya felt it was off?
What is wrong with thinking early-day pressure is wasted on people who are VLA?

I sheeped the Random reasoning, not the stuff on Camn, Elyse, UTL and RC. The Random stuff was the only good part of that post.

66 and 69 - Two waved questions, "should be obvious" and "you're missing the point" used to avoid answering questions

Ya. Answering with "I'm doing a reaction-test" would have been super productive

He was obviously interested in the purpose of the posts so yeah a good response would have been productive.

94 - Says his vote on RC for not using spellcheck is only 90% a joke?

I didn't vote RC for that. Not paying very much attention to how I vote as long as it isn't on you are ya? Explained the spellcheck thing in the post ya linked.

This is what I see from that post.

I think he did spell-check that one post. Bit weird RC being who he is. I'd vote on that if I didn't have better.

Not very good.

96 - This is basically the thing everyone started scumreading me for. Asks RC why he's still voting camn when it was pretty obvious RC wasn't going to explain at that point.

RC did answer in 97.

Yes with a basically joke.

I'm expressing my thoughts on the absurdity of Zulfy's post by proposing an equally absurd alternative.

98 - Implies he doesn't think unneccesary defense is scummy.

1) No it doesn't
2) why would it be scummy if I did think that?

Then what does it imply? And unnecessary defense is scummy because it's more likely to come from scum who wants to make sure they're being townread.

102 - Already dissected earlier why this was a terrible vote.

Meh. Didn't think 87 was a joke. Still not sure it was, though it does seem to be the prevailing opinion here that it was.

Look at how Zulfy has been posting all game then review.

169 - Also already dissected why this vote was bad. Also jumps on Zulfy in the same post but never follows up.

quoting the relevant bit from earlier post

Uses the excuse of "she'll push me early as scum" and her thinking page 3 reasons is scummy to vote which are both bad reasons.

Why are these bad reasons?

An early push just because she buddied you last time isn't indicative of scum. And overwrought page 3 reasons are scummy.

The "not having an avatar is scummy" part is also bad because there's no scum motivation in that push

"I want to look like I have scumreads" is a scum motivation

Yeah there were a lot better things to use to look like she had scumreads at that point.

since no one agreed with her and she was taking a ton of flak for it but kept her stance.

She didn't keep the stance. "Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes. "

She kept the no avatar is scummy stance.

213 - Asks a pointless rhetorical question to RC

RC was scumreading me, but wanting to wagon Ika. I thought it was weird so I asked why. How is this either pointless or rhetorical?

He was the first vote on your wagon, he obviously thought you were scum.

273 - Uses ika being in the game to say camn is pushing a mislynch, which is terrible reasoning.

Why?

You said camn was trying to run you up quickly so ika would hammer which is absurd since you weren't even close to L-2.

278 - Admits that basically his entire scumread on camn is based on meta and nothing else.

"The policies stated as scumreads, the surfacy reading, the exaggerated confidence, 'this is squrming'."
'this is squirming' is the only part in that that isn't scummy even without meta.
And what exactly is scummy about having a meta read?

The meta read isn't the scummy part, it's the fact it's all based on meta. As you said

Everything the same.

So you're basing it all on meta.

341 - Gives a bunch of unreasoned town reads, super fluffy

Ya. Trying to break up a TvT is clearly scum motivated
Farmer read is cause I noticed him trying to do the same thing when I first tried to post.

All you did was drop three town reads and leave. I didn't see any intention of trying to stop a TvT.

[SirCakez]

CKD I mean these questions.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

/yawn.

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UpTooLate

Why?
Check the ISO.

What about it do you think is scummy?

It is easy to say "check the ISO" but what about it do YOU find scummy?

They're my scumpartners.

we're yolo wagoning everyone.

so no opinion then?

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

wait a minute, what the fuck? who is scum?

I wanted RC to share his case since everyone was sheeping that and he had (and still hasn't) given next to no reasons.

can you explain this a little further, where did you ask RC to share anything?