Micro 568 - Coordination Mafia (Game over)

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VOTE: TheCow

Beef is tasty

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VOTE: Trivium

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Anyone who wants to lynch Kaboose is going to have to get through me.

Kaboose feels super town here.

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Granted, my meta is probably super stale, but even without the meta I like how Kaboose is playing.

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Ricastle is being dumb.

6-3, even with the scum-not-talking mechanic, would still be fucking broken to hell.

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Ricastle is being dumb.

6-3, even with the scum-not-talking mechanic, would still be fucking broken to hell.

Where would he come up with 3 though? I want to know how he came to that.

Also, I don't think it would be broken. A 6-3 would be fine, considering they may miss on NKs.

That's why I'm interested in Ricastle's post, and now a bit more interested in you brushing it off as nothing. If he knows there's 3 scum, and I don't know there's 3 scum, and there are 3 scum.. I'm taking that more as him knowing things he shouldn't, and less as a lucky guess.

But I'll give him a chance to prove the mod said it was 3. Otherwise I'm parking a vote on him.

6-3 is dumb b/c town loses in 2 mislynches if scum hit a single shot.

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Anyone who wants to lynch Kaboose is going to have to get through me.

Kaboose feels super town here.

why so? super serious != super town

It's not the seriousness, it's the level of aggression and follow-through combined with the abrasivity.

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Eh, I'd give him until he's prodded.

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That said, he was online this morning...

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KILL IT WITH FIRE.

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VOTE: DoLittle

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Also are we going to assume that neither scum decided to mindgame and try to shoot their partner?

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Because I'm definitely rolling with that assumption.

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We're mass claiming today.

There's really no reason not to.

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Oh yeah I'm a VT.

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I want TheCow to claim next.

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Okay, Cow confirms NM. NM is conftown.

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I want PC to claim before Kaboose.

PC->Kaboose->Accountant is my preferred order at this point.

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I'd assume the track would just go to the name that was submitted.

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The fact that he knew that you didn't use your BG action either night leads me to believe that he's telling the truth.

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And a scum tracker in this setup seems less likely than a town tracker.

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Okay, Cow confirms NM. NM is conftown.

But, Bro, how do we know Cow is town?

We don't!

That said, claiming that the claimed bodyguard didn't visit anyone N1 and N2 would be pretty ballsy for a non-tracker, so that part of the claim checks out.

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That said, I don't really think scum would have a tracker in this setup.

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I would be sad if my initial read of Kaboose was wrong.

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I kind of think scum tried to bus PC and fucked up.

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TheCow could be a scum tracker claiming the result for towncred.

I doubt that's the case, though.

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Will unvote if/when he finally shows up and claims. The longer he takes to claim the more likely it is that he's mafia trying to think of a good claim.

V/LA through Feb 1. You could be waiting a while...

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Dangerous assumption. I don't think it's terribly uncommon for a Bodyguard to be self-serving and not use his ability(because he believes he can contribute more to the town more than anyone else, and thus has no business protecting people).

While you're right w/o context, not_mafia thinking that he's been/would be a bigger impact on this game than you, Ricastle, or me after days 1 and 2 would be fairly egotistical.

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@mod PC hasn't posted in 9+ days. I get the whole V/LA thing, but it's seriously stalling this game.

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lalalalalala waiting.

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Day after day
Give me clouds and rain and grey
Give me pain if that's what's real
It's the price we pay to feel.

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Cow claim now

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Cool. So I know it's one of you or Accountant.

An NL today is wrong. Also this is why 6-3 is bullshit.

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Especially 6-3 where apparently town just gets a tracker and bg.

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(If Cow is town)

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Accountant still hasn't claimed. Gonna wait for that before doing anything.

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BRO is scum for saying we shouldn't NL. NL today is ideal, but we already have scum, so no worry.

lolllllllllllllllllllll.

All we gain in an NL is that Kaboose gets shot and you confirm someone else.

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Eh actually I guess that does make it optimal to NL today.

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If we no lynch, Cow is dead. That leaves me confirmed to make the decision in LyLo?

Or you get shot and it becomes a 1v1 between someone and Cow tomorrow.

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Scum can send in their own names.

From my POV, scum have at some point sent in their own or partner's name.

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(Since I'm town, my POV is objectively correct, but I can't ~prove~ that to you guys)

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(If Cow is town)

Uh...

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That's literally the next post.

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I've gotten this far because both have been glaringly obvious.

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Okay, Cow confirms NM. NM is conftown.

There was also this.

Which is correct.

With only 1 scum left, a fake claiming investigative PR still conftowns anyone they claim to have an inno on.

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You're basically saying "Bro has to be scum because his scum hunting has been too good and he understands a basic aspect of mechanics"

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I'm leaning Cow at this point tbh but I'd really like another night to see what happens.

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Like from a setup spec perspective I think it should be Accountant but he's really not acting like I'd expect him to if he were scum, and this setup is so fucked regardless in terms of balance that I'm not putting a lot of weight on that.

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ggwp accountant. I was town

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(yeah that breaks the no posting rule but w/e, game's over)

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I believe I owe town an apology; this game was clearly tilted towards scum. If a similar setup should be run again, I think there should be either more town players, fewer scum players or a lot more town PRs.

6-3 is absolutely terrible, and I'm a little surprised you didn't realize that.

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Also, kaboose, you need to slow down and look at how to improve your play. You felt on a very similar level here as you did in EPL, which was a pretty long time ago.

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I believe I owe town an apology; this game was clearly tilted towards scum. If a similar setup should be run again, I think there should be either more town players, fewer scum players or a lot more town PRs.

6-3 is absolutely terrible, and I'm a little surprised you didn't realize that.

There isn't really data on games where scum does not have private communication.

That really doesn't matter that much relative to town losing in 2 mislynches.

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Like town literally had to lynch correctly more than mislynch.

Regardless of private communication, that will literally never happen.

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That really doesn't matter that much relative to town losing in 2 mislynches.

It's two mislynches and two coordinated kills between three people.

Not really, since each time town lynches scum it becomes easier for scum to land the kill. Here's the two extreme scenarios that can happen assuming that any scum group larger than 1 person always misses (so most favorable to town):

This game: lynch scum day 1, lynch scum day 2. 2 mislynches and lose.
Town really sucks: Lynch town day 1, lynch town day 2, lynch town day 3 - 3 mislynches and lose, 2 if scum quick hammer day 2 and coordinate a target.

No matter what, you've set up a game where town loses unless they lynch scum

literally more than they lynch town

, which is really, really unfair. We lynched scum 50% this game and still lost. This could have been balanced by giving town much better power (full doc instead of a bg + a cop instead of a tracker), but then you just make a really swingy setup. Going with 2 scum and limited town power would have been a much better option (that said, I think this concept in general is better suited for a 13-15p game so that lynching 1 scum doesn't end it. 11:4 would probably be ideal).

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Well, that's what happens when your PRs are assigned to TheCow and NotMafia.

TheCow double-investiaging not_mafia instead of using one of those investigates on literally anyone else may have actually cost town the game (if the second person targeted had been Ricastle it wouldn't have mattered). Having a result on me, PC, or Accountant would have made the game very different.

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Also, kaboose, you need to slow down and look at how to improve your play. You felt on a very similar level here as you did in EPL, which was a pretty long time ago.

I didn't make it out of D1 in EPL..

I just reread EPL and completely had misremembered how you played there (was mixing you up with BBT for some reason).