Mini 1758: Game Over

[Elyse]

Voting SirCakez

[RadiantCowbells]

do I have a choice?

[camn]

Same townstrategy as always, RC....find the scumz...Lynch them if you can... But be sure to buddy one until he has bussed all his partners....then burn him down and ruin his plans.

[SirCakez]

Because the wagon went from zero to five votes in one page. That doesn't happen with only one scum vote.

Specifically looking at the people who gave little to no reason with their votes. So Tictac, UTL, SRMP.
A plain farmer at least backed up his vote but his hammer came way too early.

I sheeped the hell out of that because Ika was incredibly inactive. I agree with camn. You were supposedly scumreading that slot anyway, but as soon as it flips town you start pointing fingers. Would you still be pointing fingers if we had scumread him for the same reasons as you had?



I'm going to look at the farmer now.

You supposedly were scumreading him for the same reasons, the lurking.

Elyse might be scum. I was town reading her but her recent posts are awful. Power tunneling, pushed a quick hammer on ika, immediately distanced from the ika wagon after it flipped town.

[SirCakez]

Night results thing was aimed at how Loki said he slept peacefully. On another forum we both play at, you get told if you were role blocked, slept peacefully etc and everyone typically says their high results at the start of the day. That doesn't apply here obviously but I don't think he knew.

[Elyse]

How am I distancing from the ika wagon

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

[curiouskarmadog]

just saw this was open. going to see what I missed.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay...need to go back a read acryon and reevaluate the wagon on ika from Day 1.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Sircakez

I'll take that as a no.

[SirCakez]

Yeah my RC town read is dead. Way too much sheeping, no pushing any reads, acryon kill makes a ton of sense from scum RC.
I'll do a new reads list soon.

[SirCakez]

New reads

Town (Lokiben, Plain Farmer, Camn)
Null (Zulfy, UTL, CKD)
Scum lean (RadiantCowbells, Elyse, SRMP)
Scum (Tictac)

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really have a choice here, sorry Sircakez.

[SirCakez]

What does that even mean?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not sure what you're not understanding here.

[SirCakez]

You have a choice of what to do with your vote...

[RadiantCowbells]

No, but Elyse has a choice of what I do with my vote.

If you have an issue you should take it up with her.

[SirCakez]

Why does Elyse control your vote?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think it's particularly fair either.

[UpTooLate]

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

[tictac]

I began by clicking on the link to ika's threads in his profile to find games he was in.

You didn't include machina mafia, minis 1737 or 1734 (first 3 marked completed games on Ikas history. Possible some of those were only recently marked completed, but I doubt all of them were.)

There were a lot of threads that weren't game threads, so I changed the filter so that it organized posts by forum. However, I couldn't sort by date with this filter,

Blitz games come up first, but ok. I would have discarded those, if I was attempting what you say you tried.
You didn't include White Flag Mafia[TM2015](first actual game that comes up).. lots of threads that aren't main game threads come up first, I would have abandoned this approach too.
However it does seem to be sub-sorting by date by default. Weird that is your gripe with it.

and I was more interested in recent games, so I instead just looked in the game forums themselves for games ika was in.

But you apparently didn't look at completed games subforum of little italy.(didn't include minis 1707,1734,1737)
Which forums did you check? I'm trying to re-create your experience here, to see if it makes sense. As much detail as you can give will be useful.

Those are the games I found, and he seems to disproportionately prefer Opens. "Mini 1758" is apparently a malapropism for the Mini I found, I can't remember which.

Malaprotism does not sufficiently explain the inclusion of this game to me, since "1758" isn't a word.
I will confirm that the games you listed as having town-Ika did, and ones you listed as having a scum-Ika did.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

This is a scummy post. I don't think a townie voices regrets of his vote prior to the flip.

The problem is, we had a decent amount of time to discuss and we hammered so quickly.

[SirCakez]

SRMP give us reads.

[tictac]

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

I take objection to misrepping what dead people said.
Quoting the rest of that post.

This isn't alignment-indicative

, but I think the rest of the town needs to be careful of buying into the confidence as opposed to the case. It's Day 1 people; any person that has an incredible scum-case on a player is lying to you.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

dont like how you assume that they are voting you for that wagon.