Blitz 24: Great Idea Mafia

[Some Random Mafia Player]

F I R S T
VOTE: Lane0168

VOTE: guiltylion

but isent second the best?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

let's see who has the hairy chest

Im afraid you do, and I get the golden chest as well

[Some Random Mafia Player]

xtoxm not rvsing in his first post is odd

[Some Random Mafia Player]

It's it? I haven't played enough with him to know him to normally RVS. Have you? Odd how?

your required to rvs in first post, its law ;/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

eh fakeclaiming survivor is too dirty.

VOTE: lilith2013

doc/bg things on me or guaranteed n1.

Does this mean your survivor claim was fake? Cause i first thought you were responding to buy then I see it was unprompted.

So you're not survivor?

it was probably joke claim, seeing as it was in rvs and you would have no reason to claim survivor right off the bat.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You're not gonna believe this.
Guess who just got miller in this setup AGAIN.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

{lane}
{Xtoxm}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{GuiltyLion}

I know you make random readlists, but how the fuck do you make one on post 14?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You're not gonna believe this.
Guess who just got miller in this setup AGAIN.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

{lane}
{Xtoxm}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{GuiltyLion}

I know you make random readlists, but how the fuck do you make one on post 14?

and hold the fuck up did you just claim miller?

UNVOTE: VOTE: ranger

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You're not gonna believe this.

Guess who just got miller in this setup AGAIN.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

{lane}
{Xtoxm}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{GuiltyLion}

they wouldent know someone got miller again... unless it was themselves.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

survivor.

if I make even a miniscule attempt to scumhunt I will instantly eat a nk from every single anti town faction so I'm just not gonna post.

later.

eh fakeclaiming survivor is too dirty.

VOTE: lilith2013

doc/bg things on me or guaranteed n1.

Does this mean your survivor claim was fake? Cause i first thought you were responding to buy then I see it was unprompted.

So you're not survivor?

it was probably joke claim, seeing as it was in rvs and you would have no reason to claim survivor right off the bat.

You're not gonna believe this.
Guess who just got miller in this setup AGAIN.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

{lane}
{Xtoxm}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{GuiltyLion}

I know you make random readlists, but how the fuck do you make one on post 14?

and hold the fuck up did you just claim miller?

UNVOTE: VOTE: ranger

Huh...

Having serious trouble figuring out why random decided radiants claim was a joke, but freaks the fuck out at ranger.

Gonna go ahead and try to lunch some random mafia player today

Rc, are you survivor?

radiants claim was a joke, because why the fuck would you claim survivor.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

survivor.

if I make even a miniscule attempt to scumhunt I will instantly eat a nk from every single anti town faction so I'm just not gonna post.

later.

eh fakeclaiming survivor is too dirty.

VOTE: lilith2013

doc/bg things on me or guaranteed n1.

Does this mean your survivor claim was fake? Cause i first thought you were responding to buy then I see it was unprompted.

So you're not survivor?

it was probably joke claim, seeing as it was in rvs and you would have no reason to claim survivor right off the bat.

You're not gonna believe this.
Guess who just got miller in this setup AGAIN.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

{lane}
{Xtoxm}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{GuiltyLion}

I know you make random readlists, but how the fuck do you make one on post 14?

and hold the fuck up did you just claim miller?

UNVOTE: VOTE: ranger

Huh...

Having serious trouble figuring out why random decided radiants claim was a joke, but freaks the fuck out at ranger.

Gonna go ahead and try to lunch some random mafia player today

Rc, are you survivor?

radiants claim was a joke, because why the fuck would you claim survivor.

on the other hand, I could see someone actually claiming miller (but obviously its stupid to do so)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Have you ever fake claimed as scum before? @rc.

Hey guess what, random, he already said it wasn't a joke. He was trying to see if it could keep him alive... Not sure why you keep calling it a joke.

Why wouldn't someone claim survivor?

because its a rather convenient excuse to not help town

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Did you think it was a joke because you're rc's buddy? And did you take a grand reaction towards ranger cause you know he's not your buddy?

Pedit: its also a convenient excuse to not get lynched and help town

but why would you help town as survivor? You just die to mafia.

and your trying to make associations before anyone flipped on page 3 ;/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

It wasn't, as it happens, a joke.
I was fully serious about making the claim at the time that I made it but decided against it for various reasons.

Have you ever fake claimed as scum before? @rc.

No man, I would NEVER fakeclaim as scum.
But I have rolled macho townie bodyguard bus driver mason angel of death bringing shiro back to life cop vig doc

but why would you help town as survivor? You just die to mafia.

and your trying to make associations before anyone flipped on page 3 ;/

yeah pretty much.
revenge kill is plus I feel like there's no way I'll make it to d2 without screaming that someone is scum and needs to be lynched.

Regardless, how do you feel that the claim was originally real, and fake, with the sole purpose of trying to stay alive? And then he realized that wasn't a good idea. So he retracted the claim as fake?

Feel how you wish about it, but it will be neither the first nor the last time I've fakeclaimed to try not to get n1ed.

If the claim was serious, why retract it? Because you dident want to claim survivor? Because you already claimed survivor so thats pretty useless. If you arent survivor, then why fakeclaim in the first place.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I am not survivor.
I claimed Survivor in the hopes that it might allow me to live a few days in and be able to play LyLo which is where I really shine, but the only LyLo I've seen this year so far has been one I replaced in and the other towny was way too stubborn to let me lead so I sheeped him into a town loss. I want to be able to actually play this game for multiple days, not just one.

I once saw you mason claim with firebringer. You were scum

Did you click the links?
I fakeclaim as both alignments.

@rc: What makes you so sure you'd be killed N1 without a claim?

you don't know me.

but you wouldent live unless you dont do jack shit as survivor, and if you dont do jack shit then you would probably die anyway.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

If it's stupid to claim Miller, why could you see someone doing that? Not not survivor?

I could see someone claiming miller because its a convenient scum fakeclaim, survivor isent.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

So you think town made the survivor fake claim or scum?

IDK

but either way, I know for a 100% fact im not getting lynched today.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

So random claims unlynchable

false, I dont claim unlynchable.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

on the other hand, I could see someone actually claiming miller (but obviously its stupid to do so)

why is it stupid to do so? I see millers claim miller all the time

because thats a scummy as shit claim

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Millers claim Miller early cause of they get investigated its kind of sketchy then

but its also an excuse to be investigated as mafia...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Millers claim Miller early cause of they get investigated its kind of sketchy then

but its also an excuse to be investigated as mafia...

er.. wouldn't they claim miller afterwards though? the point of claiming is so that the cop doesn't investigate you.

but the town would probably then waste a lynch on you for claiming it. I could see you claiming after you got investigated, but not before.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I don't think people generally policy lynch millers..?

I would policy lynch a miller claim tbh, excuse for getting inspected mafia.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

like you read all of my town games and people are like "urgh we should trust RC because he's been so pro-town but I have this gut read that he's scum"
whereas I'm scum and people are like "oh he changed his claim 3 times but I feel like he's definitely town this game"

it's pretty funny.

if you were scum, would you claim to townread me or scumread me here and why?

probably townread because you always see right through my fake scumreads on you.

urgh you're pinging me really bad right now but I don't want to scumread you.

pls be town.

Are you claiming miller or universal miller?

lilith dident claim miller, ranger did...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

...Huh. This is interesting. So...reading the text. I'm not actually sure. It says I return a mafia result to all alignment investigations. But I don't know what that means in the context of whether it's universal or not.

it returns mafia, which means to a fbi agent it wont return sk because sk is not equal to mafia

that means miller I think.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Slowest. Blitz. Ever. Of all time

scum are lurking the fuck out of this.

Or maybe theres nothing to talk about.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Because he considered rc's claim a joke, but freaks out at Rangers claim. All seemed fake.

Why are you voting ranger?

Pedit: nevermind

the problem is, I was right. Rangers claim was serious, but rcs was a joke.

So that reaction was correct.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Because he considered rc's claim a joke, but freaks out at Rangers claim. All seemed fake.

Why are you voting ranger?

Pedit: nevermind

the problem is, I was right. Rangers claim was serious, but rcs was a joke.

So that reaction was correct.

No. We've gone over this. It wasn't a joke. It was a fake claim. There's a difference

ok, it was a fake claim, either way, I dismissed it as not being a real claim, and it wasent a real claim.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Guys you almost always just lynch survivors day 1, it is an awful claim and when it was rescinded you can just ignore it. For RC that whole thing is NAI.

exactly, I figured he couldent be serious.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

damn time went fast.

Catching up.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I'm going to go after some random guy regardless. Once my pressure subsided he just up and left for 23 hours.

Posted elsewhere though

yeah, mb, this just exploded and I think I was gone by that point.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read up

Not lynching Lane, SRMP or guilty, prefer not to lynch itlepip, lilith, and persivul. Fine with lynching ranger (not for the miller, but for not being active), radiant, or xtoxm (same as ranger) (I know I was inactive, but im not excusing myself either and I only am because I know im town)

UNVOTE: Ranger VOTE: Radiantcowbells

I know its rc, but they were still scummy with wanting cop to claim (and according to numbers they are most likely to be scum, but im not lynching based off that)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

wait, I just missed that summary itle made.

UNVOTE: Radiantcowbells VOTE: itlepip

[Some Random Mafia Player]

he knows RC isent confirmable as he can be mafia fruit vendor, xtoxm doesent have solid play and I dont know where he got that from, especially since hes scumreading guilty

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I am so confidant that both scum are on my wagon, like holy shit all of the lynch targets are on my wagon.

Also RC is confirmable if there is a cop. You still wouldn't lynch that d1, especially since RC can gamesolve.

>both scum

how do you know theres only 2...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

we got a lynch done I suppose.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Either hes in regular 9p mindset. Or he has exactly 1 partner.

VOTE: itelpip

the fact he acknowledges fruit vendor (which wouldent normally be in 9p setups I dont think but too lazy to check) makes me think the first possibility isent what happened.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read up

Not lynching Lane, SRMP or guilty, prefer not to lynch itlepip, lilith, and persivul. Fine with lynching ranger (not for the miller, but for not being active), radiant, or xtoxm (same as ranger) (I know I was inactive, but im not excusing myself either and I only am because I know im town)

UNVOTE: Ranger VOTE: Radiantcowbells

I know its rc, but they were still scummy with wanting cop to claim (and according to numbers they are most likely to be scum, but im not lynching based off that)

What do you mean by according to numbers, RC is most likely to be scum?

yes, there is a 50% chance they are the town fruit vendor, and 50% they are mafia fruit vendor (or they are scum and lied altogether but eh.) No, I dident base my lynch off of those numbers.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

oi, and you can vote me, one request though. I want everyones opinion on me.

Yes, thats serious.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You are already in twilight, you got a mislynch, congrats. VOTE: SRMP Your play near deadline could not have been worse.

I meant tomorrow ;/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Lanes death doesent implicate anything, he was obvtown.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

spamming for 10k posts.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

need another one for 10k

[Some Random Mafia Player]

might be scum on it, if so that would be xtoxm.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I still think Pers is scum but I'm warming to an Xtoxm lynch.

why are you fine with lynching xtoxm and not me?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I think that both Xtox and Persivul are far more likely to flip scum than you are.

how do you know?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

This game is so dead.

gonna figure out if theres anything worth posting over.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

This game has gone nowhere and we dont have much time

VOTE: Persivul

to get a lynch done.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I sign up to play a game in order to actually play the game. So, when a game goes dead, I keep posting. That requires going outside the box and unfortunately, whether town or scum, I get scum read for it. So, yeah, you may as well lynch me.

actually, its because the game is too dead for us to have time to get onto anyone else, and we arent Nling.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

@Mod, On the votecount, You said persivul was on l-3 with 2 people voting them, when they are supposed to be on l-1

also, (not directed at mod)

Persivul is on l-1

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP, do you think Persivul is scum?

And there's plenty of time to choose a different lynch, I'll be here today

upon rereading the iso, yes I do.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: SRMP
Lane was on him at end of phase, Lane's dead, plus just a meh ISO.

Lanes death doesent implicate anything, he was obvtown.

I've seen scum let an IC live, as long as they were pushing the wrong people.

but he was supposedly not pushing the wrong people because he was pushing me.

VOTE: lilith

Sheeping Ranger, who looks town now. And just because this game is boring.

why would you sheep? Lynch who you think is scum imo.

The only way you can know it's multiball is because your kill didn't go through.

VOTE: Radiant

P-edit: It's not D1, it's D2, and you know that it's multiball

it probably is multiball though, it is understandable to make the assumption.

Including you.
1 page you're sincere, Ranger puts you as #1 scumread, instant vote.
Now he's voting me for calling him out for it.

No, I'm voting you for your scum slip. The facts indicate a single anti-town faction, but you know that it's multiball.

It has been shown slips arent reliable, why use them?

I don't understand why Lilith's so obsessed with the vote on her or why she's not voting Persivul when she's talking like she's scumreading him.

Let me think.

Why are you so interested in Persivul's vote on you if you don't think it's scum opportunism?
If you think it's scum opportunism, why aren't you voting him?

It sort of feels like you're more interested in the vote than his alignment atm.

These are the first townie posts you've made today.

Is this because they are questioning the people attacking you?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I liked srmp's last post better and probably leaning towards pers as scum unless he is in fact claiming supersaint. And even then I'm not sure that it's a town claim.

What do you mean by "like"? Was it due to the content?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I liked srmp's last post better and probably leaning towards pers as scum unless he is in fact claiming supersaint. And even then I'm not sure that it's a town claim.

What do you mean by "like"? Was it due to the content?

want an answer.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I liked srmp's last post better and probably leaning towards pers as scum unless he is in fact claiming supersaint. And even then I'm not sure that it's a town claim.

What do you mean by "like"? Was it due to the content?

want an answer.

It seemed like you were actually saying things that were logical vs. your previous posts.

even though it was flawed?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Yes..?

so you think a flawed post that could easily be scum pushing for a lynch makes someone more towny?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Like.. It just feels like you are actually trying to do things in that post as opposed to everything else you've said today.

so im townier for doing something scummy, just because its doing something?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Like.. It just feels like you are actually trying to do things in that post as opposed to everything else you've said today.

so im townier for doing something scummy, just because its doing something?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

maybe you guys are scum together...

nah

[Some Random Mafia Player]

tbh, if persivul is supersaint, he should just claim.

And I would volunteer to do it tbh.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

This is also assuming my town reads on SRMP

how do you townread me?

I wouldent townread myself in this situation tbh

[Some Random Mafia Player]

lilith you realize that's pure WIFOM right

srmp because I've seen you as scum

You have seen me as scum indeed.

But why wouldent I try to change my meta?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

alright, you want me to claim I see

[Some Random Mafia Player]

im innocent child, pmed host to reveal me, should happen soon.

Until then, reading up.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

unless someone could explain to me how we know xtoxm is fakeclaiming, he seems like the other town (?)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

so if there was 1 death on night 2, and 2 deaths on night 2, and nobody was a vig, we can come to the assumption that aliens killed night 2 (since there is no 1-shot killing role we can assume its an alien, and no scum have 1-shot vig off the top of my head but will check), but since there was an alien already dead that confirms there is indeed another alien.

Since RC is fruit vendor, and there is no alien fruit vendor, we can conclude that RC is mafia and xtoxm is an alien, so we lynch RC, no kill will happen (aliens used there 1 kill already) then lynch xtoxm tomorrow for the win.

is this correct?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

WAIT the second scum isent confirmed.

I thought it was for some reason.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

According to your theory I am solo mafia.
Persivul had claimed super saint.
You are claiming that I, as solo mafia, prevented Lilith who had already agreed to hammer the supersaint claim from hammering.
What's my scum motivation for doing so?

I figured Persivul was WW supersaint and I had a feeling that Lilith was a powerful role based on the way she played D1 so I made sure she didn't hammer.
Why would I have done that as scum?

I dont know if you are, for some reason I assumed you were confirmed ;/ but you could be his alien partner who knew he was lying

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I can't be his alien partner.
Ranger confirmed me as fruit vendor, remember?
I also can't be any variation of role cop who could have known he wasn't supersaint because I was 1) no longer enabled and 2) my ability has already been confirmed.
And if I believed he wasn't super saint, why did I wait till deadline to try to get Xtoxm to hammer?

Why are we having this argument?

im forgetting everything rn, mb.

So your confirmed not the alien (100% certain there is one) im not the alien, so one of xtoxm and guilty are the alien and one of you 3 is the last scum.

Also, alien loses 100%, because if we hit town Mafia endgames, if we hit mafia we lynch him tomorrow, and if we hit alien then the alien loses. So alien should claim rn.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Xtoxm is the alien, GL is the last scum faction.

I would rather wait for the alien to claim outright then make assumptions (he scumclaimed, not alien claimed)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Xtoxm is the alien, GL is the last scum faction.

I would rather wait for the alien to claim outright then make assumptions (he scumclaimed, not alien claimed)

I mean, if this isent going to happen then I would make the assumption (or if nobody feels like waiting which is likely)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

GL claimed an FBI agent result that was impossible and retracted his claim when called out on it fyi.

If you're legitimately still not sure who scum are.

but that makes sense, miller only returns mafia, and fbi agent returns SK/not Sk. Mafia is not Sk, so it would indeed return not SK. That is a possible result.

but he unclaimed it which is still scummy af.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You're forgetting about the Psychotrooper flip.

Unless Xtoxm was actually Serial Killer, he would have gotten a guilty result day 1.
Same goes for my logic on Xtoxm being confirmed scum via Lilith's N1 bloodhound result.

Can you stop trying to scumhunt and just read my ISO?

wait your right.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Guiltylion

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

I don't think Alien will hammer this though. It's autolose for him if he does.

alien loses anyway, dies to mafia.

if he IS bulletproof, then we lose anyway and one of the townies is kingmaker tomorrow

[Some Random Mafia Player]

if xtoxm doesent hammer today and we nl, im lynching him tomorrow.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

towns best option is to NL, because then the worst we can do is draw (unless one of the scum suicide)

UNVOTE: VOTE: No lynch

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Having drawn scum in this game, I feel much more against the town than against Lion.

I've created a situation where town can't win, and so GL winning this game as SK feels better than town winning.

My offer stands though - I can force a tie, which is the objectively better result for 3 of us here.

you can force a tie, and we request you do it.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Lucky, what are your tiebreaker rules?

I would assume no tiebreaker and complete draw between alien/GL/town

[Some Random Mafia Player]

UNVOTE:

in case GL hammers before we know

[Some Random Mafia Player]

UNVOTE:

Oh.
And I actually PMed the mod to clarify. He claims to be aware that SRMP asked to be revealed as IC.
Nothing.
I'm a little sketched out atm.

I unrequested out of confusiong over the situation. If my claim is REALLY still needed tho I will do it.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

THERE we go

now what

[Some Random Mafia Player]

if SRMP can be convinced that I am really truly town here

If you are town, please explain your fakeclaim and tell us what you really are (it wont change anything but eh)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

im confused, so you ARE fbi agent?

If not what are you?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Some Random Mafia Player]

if you get probed and NKed then town will win when we lynch Xtoxm, because your mafia flip will confirm me as town and Xtoxm as the other scum

I dont kniw if this inidcates anything, but that situation is impossible...

RC cant flip mafia because they cant be killed because the aliens used their kill...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

nuuu I died
gg all, at least we got a draw