Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[Something_Smart]

I would recommend stating intent to L-1 because ika may hammer.

[Supreme Overlord]

1. Even if you weren't expecting a hammer, didn't you want one? You put him at L-1 and he had already claimed, so why would you vote him for doing something that you knowingly made possible?

Yes, I wanted one - and I was expecting one from

Masq

who I thought would end the day when we were all good and ready. It was the way in which ika did it which was scummy, rather than the action of the hammer itself (someone was going to do it). It was unannounced, unprepared for, and seemed opportunistic.

2. A lot of people have not mentioned others and it doesn't mean that they can't form opinions on them. You are not entitled to whine about every accusation that you didn't see coming a mile away. In fact, setting up future lynches is something scum do, whereas town are more likely to have sudden changes of opinion.

My problem is not with forming opinions or changing minds. My problem is with doing so without leaving a clear and transparent record of thought processes. Maybe I'm optimistic, but I expect town to be internally consistent, with changes that make sense; while scum are making

something

up and therefore will sometimes make a move without real justification. If someone just leaves it and announces an opinion out of nowhere, there's no way to trace the though process and spot the contradiction, if it exists.

Ah right. VOTE: Supreme Overlord for L-2

Okay ...
Any chance of responding to this:

The other thing is, I think it's better to give out scum reads than town reads (it's good to

have

town reads; they're just less valuable to give out). I thought Snarky had a similar opinion, given these pair of posts:

I have decent townleans on beeboy and masquerade.
Slight townleans on shadow, supreme, snarky and aristo.
Not sure about the rest.

What about scumleans?

But then the rest of Snarky's ISO is just giving town reads (without any reasoning) until the end of the day with some lynch alternatives for Shinobi (also without reasoning).

So Snarky: do you really think it's important to give scum reads as you indicated in 151? And if so, why didn't you give any for almost the entirety of Day 1?

[Viva La Gloria]

@Ika
I'm not sure. I just think it's weird.
SO is an obvious scumfuck and the Cobalting kill proves it so bye.

[Anxiety Attack]

Let's at least get an Aero replacement in here to post something before day ends since we have plenty of time please.

[SilverWolf]

Let's at least get an Aero replacement in here to post something before day ends since we have plenty of time please.

Oops, this one's me.

[Masquerade]

Carnaval's over for me. Will make a catch-up post somewhere tomorrow.

I did get a chance to read in between and I also checked that game ika mentioned and SW posted the link to. I think Silver buddied ika a lot more in that game, I really never got the impression she was trying to figure him out and mostly she was just trying to stay on his good side. Which isn't what I'm seeing here.
I will reread both slots tomorrow as well as Overlord's.

ika: Which posts from Silver in this game remind you most of that other game?

[Shinobi]

Stupid Panthers.

[Shinobi]

@Ika
I'm not sure. I just think it's weird.
SO is an obvious scumfuck and the Cobalting kill proves it so bye.

Elaborate a bit more please?
The most I could glean from the last few pages was that "SO feels scummy so he's scum," so if anyone could clarify it beyond that that'd be swell.

Let's at least get an Aero replacement in here to post something before day ends since we have plenty of time please.

Yes please.

[Shinobi]

I still think the Aero slot is scum, btw.

[texcat]

Firebringer replaces Aeronaut. Thank you!

[Firebringer]

I still think the Aero slot is scum, btw.

Well I think your slot is scum!
So that!

[Firebringer]

So do I gotta read all this stuff? Apparently my slot has been filled by like 5 different people.
I am really really lazy guys.

I am just going for that White Knight scummy that doesn't exist anymore

[Firebringer]

btw aro is prob sucm too

Where you getting this stuff from?

[Firebringer]

Silverwolf is pinging me!
In places I don't like to be pinged.

[texcat]

Day 2, Votecount 3

Supreme Overlord(4):

Viva La Gloria, SilverWolf, Something_Smart, SnarkySnowman

ika (1):

Supreme Overlord

SilverWolf (1):

ika

Aeronaut (1):

Shinobi

Not Voting (3):

Aristophanes, Firebringer, Masquerade

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Saturday, February 20, 2016 10:00 am (Texas time)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-20 10:00:00)

[Aristophanes]

Firebringer replaces Aeronaut. Thank you!

Yuss!
My excitement for this game is returned! XD

[Viva La Gloria]

Silverwolf is pinging me!
In places I don't like to be pinged.

I don't think Ika will be too happy about this...

[Viva La Gloria]

I'm not really sure how to put my SO scumread into words.
The way he talks about scumhunting feels rote and distant like he's talking about his reads rather than actually having them, I don't like the way his reads flip to suit the way the gamestate goes, etc.
Like even if you look at his last post he gets bogged into a sort of IIOA; he's discussing the meta of how reads form instead of actually having them. Which is really scummy.
I don't like his response to pressure, either, nor the way that he asks questions and he doesn't really push off of them, they sort of just feel manufactured.
I'm fairly certain he'll flip scum at any rate.

[Aristophanes]

I'll read SO's ISO, Viva, and get back to you. I haven't really interacted with the slot much.

[SilverWolf]

Nah, ika will be happy if Firebringer supports his scumread of me. Hopefully, Firebringer can interact with me if he has any questions.

I guess that's the way I feel about SO as well-tone of posts is a lot to me when I scumread someone. Are they nervous sounding, do they sound "wooden", are they too careful, or forced, is there a lot of IIOA, etc. etc. and that's why I say SO's posts just feel like scum.

Call it gut or whatever. Also, I did ISO droog and I see no reason to townread Firebringer's slot either so we'll see how it goes, Droog really didn't do much at all and either did Aero. I actually have a pretty good scumread going on that slot after doing this.

[SilverWolf]

Scumreads as of right now-SO, Firebringer, possibly Snarky Snowman, and maybe ika or Shinobi for the 4th if I had to guess. Everyone else looks ok to me rn after ISOing.

Also, here: TheShadow (7): Shinobi, SilverWolf, Aristophanes, beeboy, Viva La Gloria, Supreme Overlord, ika

SO's vote was shit.

[Aristophanes]

I know we have 10 days and I want to give Fire time to catch up, but I totally agree with this lynch on a reread.

All of their questions seem to be at the game rather than in the game. Which is weird I know, my explanations suck.

Aaand I got called in to work while typing. Basically, they feel off and unengaged and are probably scum.

VOTE: SO

This is L-1

[Shinobi]

How, exactly?

[Aristophanes]

How, exactly?

This is at me I assume?

[Shinobi]

How, exactly?

This is at me I assume?

Correct.