Mini 1758: Game Over

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP give us reads.

VOTE: Sircakez

There you go.

[SirCakez]

How am I distancing from the ika wagon

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

Read the thread

[SirCakez]

Yeah I think my scumreads are good right now.

[SirCakez]

UTL is probably the townie of (tictac, SRMP, UTL).

[UpTooLate]

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

I take objection to misrepping what dead people said.
Quoting the rest of that post.

This isn't alignment-indicative

, but I think the rest of the town needs to be careful of buying into the confidence as opposed to the case. It's Day 1 people; any person that has an incredible scum-case on a player is lying to you.

The intention wasn't to misrep, it was to highlight the specific part that I could identify with. I not once said this statement was scum-indicative, I was merely pointing it out because it reaffirmed the thoughts I had and said I would look more into it. And then I did.

I'd like to point out a tictac/acryon interaction starting at 444. Acryon says, "If tictac-Sircakez isn't TvT, the scum is tictac. Tictac talked about having no pressure on him, but then bothered to answer each of sircakez points on him with an individual response per quote. I'm not sure an unworried person does that." Tictac responds and doesn't seem to bothered by it, then 450 Elyse starts the Ika wagon without acknowledging acryon's statements about her previous scumplay and it being similar to her play in this game. Tictac follows suit a few posts later. Acryon then questions tictac's sheeping of Elyse, then the subsequent "strongly town reading her" answer he got, and doesn't seem to buy any of it.

Fast forward to the acryon's death.

I find it suspicious that towards the end of the day, he singles them both out and then dies overnight.

(had to rush the end of this, children to attend to.)

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

How is this distancing

Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm, but this is interesting:

Only played once with Elyse and she was scum and it was a long time ago, but in this game she seems to be bullying people into defending themselves, and then acts surprised that they aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is good. But players with power and confidence can easily steamroll a town into burning down a townie through their tunneling, and it seem like this is what Elyse is doing.

Doing a reread and I think I missed this yesterday. I've had an off feeling about Elyse this whole game, and I was trying to figure out if it was a simple misread of her personality/playstyle or what. But this is exactly what she's doing. I also noticed that she completely ignored this, and switched her vote to Ika, a pretty easy lurker wagon. I'm going to look more into this.

What was I supposed to say to that

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Yeah I think my scumreads are good right now.

seems like you have a problem with me voting you.

Why is that?

[SirCakez]

Elyse, SRMP, RC scumteam maybe. Acryon kill points to all three of them. Not sure where tictac fits in there though.
P-Edit: Because you ignored my request for reads and dropped a terrible naked vote.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

How is this distancing

You immediately said, "my bad, I'll take a backseat, let's move on" and moved on without any investigation of the wagon at all.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Because you ignored my request for reads and dropped a terrible naked vote.

I gave you a read, you = scum

what else do you want?

[SirCakez]

I said reads, not read. You've been dropping bad votes all game so I'm trying to see if you can actually back any of them up.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I said reads, not read. You've been dropping bad votes all game so I'm trying to see if you can actually back any of them up.

please explain what bad votes I dropped.

You are a solid vote, not a bad vote.

[SirCakez]

Zulfy vote had terrible reasoning behind it as you made the vote based on a joke post, ika vote was naked, vote one me was naked.

[a plain farmer]

I'll make a proper post later but I just want to point out that SirCakez is at L-1. Let's not hammer him. Do as I say, not as I do.

[SirCakez]

Shall I claim?

[RadiantCowbells]

go ahead.

[SirCakez]

I'm a VT.

[tictac]

Not without intent.
pedit: crap

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Zulfy vote had terrible reasoning behind it as you made the vote based on a joke post, ika vote was naked, vote one me was naked.

Zulfy I dident know if joke
ika was pressure we went through this.
You are a solid vote, but since I dont feel like iso digging will unvote for now.
UNVOTE: sircakez

[Elyse]

VOTE: SirCakez

My bad.

I'll take a backseat today but this is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

And not looking into the other voters on the wagon at all.

How is this distancing

You immediately said, "my bad, I'll take a backseat, let's move on" and moved on without any investigation of the wagon at all.

So in other words, I took responsibility for the wagon and voted my top scumread, who was on it and then immediately criticized it.

Lol

HAMMER HIM. THIS TIME IT'S ON SCUM.

[SirCakez]

I was going to have to at some point.
Why weren't you pressuring ika at all until a wagon started?

[SirCakez]

Elyse is so scummy, she's doing the same thing she did with ika.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

HAMMER HIM. THIS TIME IT'S ON SCUM.

can we NOT hammer so early?

We have plenty of time.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Elyse
This needs a wagon. She's getting scared the wagon on me will dissipate and is trying to rush the hammer, just like how the hammer on ika was rushed by her.

[Elyse]

I'm not afraid it will dissipate. I don't actually expect anyone to hammer (though I wouldn't be opposed to it), I was just expressing how strong my scumread on you is.