Mini 1758: Game Over

[Elyse]

Oh damn.

I don't want to lynch camn yet. I like her.

[Elyse]

I feel like town ckd would be more indignant and angry

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree. I'm certainly not townreading him.

But I don't like how Camn is rushing the lynch through.

[Elyse]

I don't really have a problem with it. I don't know what other productive things can come out of today. Ckd needs to hang.

[camn]

Especially since I'm town and CKD is scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

no i understand exactly what you're doing, I assure you.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

Elyse, can you help me out here please.

This is not a newbie game, and you aren't some rookie. This shit is intentional.
The only question is if you and RC are partners and planned this.

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

And I also can't believe you are letting CKD softclaim and then walk away.
You really think that CKD pulls a power role ( I figured he was softclaiming Cop, tbh) and then drops super obvious hints about it to you in thread? No way. This is all a setup, and he should hang.

LYNCH ALL LIARS

you first said you were voting me because you thought I softclaimed masons (you first indicated it was with RC..then Elsye?).

when it was shown to you that was bullshit and you were just trying jump on my wagon to speed lynch me... you came back with you are voting me because I was softclaiming cop.

WHERE? show the post where I softclaim cop.


it is not there because I didnt do it.

you know I am a town and a tracker and you want me dead.

your scum buddies will have to kill me tonight camn..let lynch this scum.

scum will kill me tonight.

[RadiantCowbells]

Camn talk about your reads on

Sircakez/tictac/ckd/a plain farmer/lokiben

[RadiantCowbells]

actually everyone do that.

and if you're not Camn add Camn to the list.

[camn]

Cowbells...no change from my last list.
CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.
When you were spouting "its anti-town for me to explain"... That's a softclaim. You know it. I know it. There are no masons. You are no tracker. You were hoping Cowbells would buy your softclaim and back off. You failed.

Incidentally, Cowbells is no cop, either.

[curiouskarmadog]

Cowbells...no change from my last list.
CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.
When you were spouting "its anti-town for me to explain"... That's a softclaim. You know it. I know it. There are no masons. You are no tracker. You were hoping Cowbells would buy your softclaim and back off. You failed.

Incidentally, Cowbells is no cop, either.

more lies. is there a reason you didnt quote the post? here I will do it.

if this is anti-town so be it. but now I just pissed.

I was going back and forth on if Elyse was scum or not.

RC has been dropping hints (I think) that she is a Mason with Elyse?

that is why I asked her to stop...it was getting obvious.

that is why I asked Elyse if you were town.

if she said "no" or "I dont know" I would have voted her.

but she said yes. that that confirmed it for me.


now you are being a (EDIT). if you thought I was a mafia (ANYTHING) why the fuck would be I be say anything in game? Wouldnt I just say it in their thread?

i thought for a second you might be brilliant, by saying I was "scummy" knowing I was indeed town, to make me look less so.

but clearly that was too much credit.

this is where I am softclaiming cop? why couldnt you quote the post where you say I am softclaiming cop? BECAUSE IT DIDNT FUCKING HAPPEN. now you are backed into a corner for your shitty vote on my hot bandwagon

CONFIRM MY VOTE ON CAMN.

please someone else call her out on this lie....

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Cowbells...no change from my last list.
CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.
When you were spouting "its anti-town for me to explain"... That's a softclaim. You know it. I know it. There are no masons. You are no tracker. You were hoping Cowbells would buy your softclaim and back off. You failed.

Incidentally, Cowbells is no cop, either.

If you were scum, and they looked like scum, why would you nightkill them?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Camn

[curiouskarmadog]

to prove my point further.

she actually voted me BEFORE THAT POST

UNVOTE:
VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Shut up Cakez.

her reasoning to vote me was a lie.

[SirCakez]

Camn why are you speculating on who might be a cop?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.

If you were scum, and they looked like scum, why would you nightkill them?

it took me a second to figure out what you were talking about here.

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

LYNCH ALL LIARS

you first said you were voting me because you thought I softclaimed masons (you first indicated it was with RC..then Elsye?).

when it was shown to you that was bullshit and you were just trying jump on my wagon to speed lynch me... you came back with you are voting me because I was softclaiming cop.

WHERE? show the post where I softclaim cop.

what am i "misunderstanding on purpose"?

which lie you going with camn?

were you saying that I softclaimed RC and I were mason.

or were you referencing, that RC and I were scum.

[camn]

Camn why are you speculating on who might be a cop?

Let me explain it to you and SRMP, so CKD doesn't squirm out of this.

CKD dropped an obvious investigative soft-claim.
Here they are:

Spoiler: CKDs softclaims

think that out a bit, I would love to explain why you are wrong, but it is not very protown for me to do so at this point in the game. all I asked you to do, was stop doing what you were doing. figure out why.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

@SRMP-
If CKD was newb-town, and I was scum... I would kill him for it and score a PR kill- assuming he was a cop with an innocent on RC. I would laugh that he accidentally outed himself. But he is NOT a newbie, and I am NOT scum.... he is quite experienced and sharp. This was no accident- he was intentionally TRYING to lead the town to believe he was an investigative role. Its a classic move- hinting that you know something secret, but you can't tell cuz the scumz~!
Then, of course...instead of RC saying "oh golly my bad"... CKD caught a bunch of votes.
Again- he isnt dumb... he knew that there was no fucking way we were going to let him weasel out here... so he started in on all that mason stuff (which is crap), and then finally dropped his 'tracker' claim.. which is just a more nuanced cop claim.

Its all horseshit. CKD doesn't do things on accident. Either he is scum, or his little sister has been posting under his account.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

CKD dropped an obvious investigative soft-claim.
Here they are:

He said it wasent a pro town thing to do because he would out masons. How do we know that? When he did explain thats exactly what happened, and we know it isent a pro town thing because of all the votes on him.

[SirCakez]

So you're basically scumreading him for crumbing cop?

[camn]

Any experienced player who is talking about "

I can't discuss that because that would be anti-town

" is full of shit.

If it is anti-town to talk about it..

YOU DONT TALK ABOUT IT

. If you are talking about it.. you are committing the anti-town infraction you are using as your excuse.
CKD knows this. The

only

reason to DO it is to float a softclaim as scum, and hope that people let you off the hook.

@Cakez: Im scumreading him for using a scum strategy.
Crumbing cop in a game with these players is suicide, given the real possibility of experienced scum
You crumb your RESULTS, and when you are dead or you FULLclaim people go back and find them. And listen-

CKD KNOWS THIS

.
It is not a legit town strategy.
Thus- he is scum. QED.

[SirCakez]

OK that makes more sense. I was thinking something else that made no sense.
RC I'll do your reads requests in a bit.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Camn, when did he crumb cop? The reason explaining would have been anti town was because he would have outed potential masons.

[camn]

Except the Mason stuff was all horseshit cover-up.

[camn]

Plus...even if he WAS talking about masons....how do you find masons? By investigating them and getting a guilty.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Plus...even if he WAS talking about masons....how do you find masons? By investigating them and getting a guilty.

he dident know it from a fact, he had a read that they were masons and confirmed his suspicion by asking Elyse's read on R.

[SirCakez]

SRMP the fact remains town has no motivation to try to fish out who masons are. Its not pro-town at all.