Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

It was stupid but it worked so w/e.

[Titus]

Titus if you have a post restriction to post in pictures post a cat meme as your next post.

This is pretty fucking stupid.

{T S O, Titus, Cakez} is a town bloc that I'm really comfortable with.

Doesn't Titus think Cakez is scum buddies with DW?

[SirCakez]

Titus you're town but your reads are bad please fix them.

[Almost50]

Almost did you read the posts before yours?

Not between the time I read her 386 and the time I posted. OK.. so Titus is probably town in this game. I don't see a scum role having such a posting condition as hers, and it's far fetched to suspect she's pull this trick out of the blue.

P.S. NOT trusting ANYBODY, and not sheeping anybody's reads at this point. I don't care who the town sees as conf.town or obv.scum until I've found at least 3 conf.town from my own perspective, then I "might" start building on it to narrow down my list of suspects.

[Nero Cain]

It was stupid but it worked so w/e.

but it was already pretty clear she was a pr/faking a pr so...what was the damn point?

[Nero Cain]

Titus you're town but

your reads are bad

please fix them

VOTE: Dwlee

[SirCakez]

Not really that clear considering multiple people had asked her if she had a PR with no response up to that point.

[SirCakez]

Are you really town reading Dwlee Nero?

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Top of page 10 to end

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
Titus
SirCakez

Townish:
I_Am_Not_I_Am_Not_Varsoon
T S O
Dwlee99
Varsoon
CooLDoG

Nulltown:
Nero Cain
PeregrineV
popsofctown
Flubbernugget
Venmar
BRantz

Null:
Starbuck
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Almost50
pisskop

Nullscum:
beeboy
Aafter

Scumish:
Rob13

Scum:
YT2980

I like this

Feel good about my town column. Feel okay about my townish column. Too many people floating around in the null area. Needs more posting.
Everyone on the scum side is there most likely because gut.

VOTE: YT2980

genuine

This is going to be an annoying to read stream of consciousness post because that's how I catch-up and you people post too much.

#96 - Elyse, why do you think grapes is Suzune's partner? Or are those two independent reads. I'm not really getting the Suzune read at all. Null up to this point for me. Obviously didn't get that Cooldog was joking. Cooldog's coming off pretty town, by the way.

#106/107 - Ok, now I get the Suzune scumread a little bit. That did seem awkward. Don't get how you had it earlier, though.

#118 - Yeah, grapes is definitely scum, and this dwlee wagon is low effort and bad.

#128 - Technically, I don't disagree with anything being said here about Dwlee. Yes, he defended himself pretty hard at an early stage. But I don't really consider defensiveness to be a valid tell anymore. It's very hit-or-miss. As much as people like to talk about how townies should throw themselves into the line of fire to find scum, it's easier said than done; no-one wants to be lynched. There are scummy ways to defend yourself, but it's not like Dwlee stopped scumhunting to defend himself. He made a single defensive post and then it blew up because of a low-effort wagon. I find Dwlee pretty null so far, maybe even lean-town a bit based on gut.

#132 - Can someone bring out some beeboy meta? I know beeboy is aggressive as scum from reading a past game he was in. Is he also aggressive as town?

#137 - Titus is town, and this is a strong case for SirCakez being Dwlee's partner is Dwlee flips scum. Both are probably town, though.

#142 - Elyse, he has an 8 person wagon on him. Are you seriously trying to cast aspersions at Dwlee saying people are finding him very scummy?

Re #148 - Cakez calling out TSO for voting someone on something that's obviously not alignment indicative is town-motivated enough to draw a lean town in early Day 1. He's continued to post like town since then, although the relational tell to Dwlee that Titus brought up is worth keeping in mind.

#149 - Pops, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

#150 - But I sure like this post from Pops not being a lemming on the Dwlee wagon.

#154 - But I also like this post attacking Pops. It's a good point on hedging bets.

#156 - Aafter, you're really not going to comment on anything else? Just latch onto the one post that mentions you?

#168 - TSO is town.

#183 - Someone on the staff team needs to add a filter to the site so anyone who says "reaction test" is autocorrected to "I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to play Mafia."

#198 - We were already out of RVS when the Dwlee votes started, but m'kay.

good

Actually, I'm afraid that's a lie. You have seen a fake dayvig gambit before, because RC used one on you in this game, at post #124. At post #152, you specifically note its usage.

VOTE: Dwlee99

doubt scum would actually go through that much fucking trouble to go through my games to find someone pulling a fake dayvig gambit

If you don't provide a thoroughly convincing reason for why you lied to me you're getting quicklynched.

hard stance

VOTE: Dwlee

I hate being wrong.

genuine

I dont like the aggressive push on dwlee. I think its over the top on a player I think is too new to be able to handle it well.

I mean, sure we can flip him, but a town Dwlee really hurts a few player's standings.

This is just about everyone who is defending me, I can't tell if it is scum defending me for town points when I flip or town or town actually thinking I'm town.

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

Wishy washy and opportunistic after just defending me earlier in the page

Hi; all.

Sorry for the late entry. I've tried to do a quick read though, and one thing caught my eye:

I don't particularly feel like voting pops right now. I'm not really scumreading anyone who has posted much. There are a ton of people who need to start playing, however.

Now I do like to keep track of my games on a text file, with remarks and pointers for reference. By the time this post was made a total of 21 players had already checked in. Only Starbuck (still hasn't), Peregrine (did later on), and myself (here I am) had yet to post.

But maybe TSO meant to include those who only posted once or twice which he considered to be "of no content"? *Shrug*

OK, now I see there's a party going at Dwlee's place. My previous experience with him is limited to a still ongoing game, so I'm probably of not much use, but I could still contribute two points:

1.a. On the + side, I would've thought that "may" have been a real DayVig action myself, although I've seen it being used as a "joke" more than once before.

1.b. Still I would've had doubts, bc -to my knowledge- DayVigging does not require confirmation. In other words, the "real" DayVigs I've seen before were unannounced and simply done by submitting a PM to the Mod.

2. It is indeed strange to say one never saw something when they actually did. I don't see how one would forget something done to them by "Welp! I'm RC" in particular.

FoS on Dwlee, not doubt.. but I feel it's too early into the day to push his wagon further.

Now let me go back & read more to see if I can find anything I might've missed on my first read.

Hi, there, are you enjoying life on your fence? Nice and comfy?

UNVOTE:

I won't vote for now since we may be at L-1, but for all intents and purposes my vote is on Dwlee.

YT's entrance to the game is super awkward. Though I always tend to scum read people who enter the game with theory things as if the player list in a large doesn't know that flash lynching on day 1 is generally a bad idea. It looks like an attempt to seem helpful while doing nothing.

I like TSO, rob, Titus, and NotNot/Guerts for town a lot.

Leaning town on Peregrine, grapes, and Cakez.

Elyse is certainly town if Dwlee flips scum, but is null for me otherwise.

Pisskop is being Pisskop, can sort him later.

pedit:

VOTE: Dwlee99[/post]

this is a good post

Town: {Elyse, Titus, Rob, NotNot/Illuminati guy, TSO, Grapes}
Townlean: {Cake, Brants, Peregrine}
Null: {Everyone not on the list}
Scum: {YT}

VOTE: YT

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: YT

[Nero Cain]

Are you really town reading Dwlee Nero?

holy shit putting words in my mouth. This dies at some point regardless of DW's flip.

[Dwlee99]

RIP 30 minutes of my life.

[SirCakez]

Almost did you read the posts before yours?

Not between the time I read her 386 and the time I posted. OK.. so Titus is probably town in this game. I don't see a scum role having such a posting condition as hers, and it's far fetched to suspect she's pull this trick out of the blue.

P.S. NOT trusting ANYBODY, and not sheeping anybody's reads at this point. I don't care who the town sees as conf.town or obv.scum until I've found at least 3 conf.town from my own perspective, then I "might" start building on it to narrow down my list of suspects.

No I meant in this post you said

Guys, Titus is clearly telling us NOT to hammer, but rather wait for Dwlee to post.

But in the posts before

You thought Lowell was in the game and wanted him to post but just realized he isn't in the game and are facepalming?

So that wasn't what Titus was saying.

Are you really town reading Dwlee Nero?

holy shit putting words in my mouth. This dies at some point regardless of DW's flip.

Then what were you saying? It was the obvious implication.

[Rob14]

Yeah, and the case isn't that bad really, but everything else from Cakez has been obvtown. I don't think Titus is right anymore.

[Rob14]

^In response to 399

[Elyse]

RIP 30 minutes of my life.

YT is a good vote.

If you flip town I will crusade for YT's lynch.

[Aafter]

good day everyone!

VOTE: Suzune

This is sketchy as fuck.

^ is that even true?

Yes. 3 is a prime number.

After skimming I haven't had a problem with anyones posts except for T2034, Aafter and Rob. Their posting has all stuck me as a little rigid. Just gutish things that I'd go into if I didn't think none of you people would understand. (im a tortured artist)

I am now going to go make coffee and probably bagels.

Also quick psa. Don't take cooldog too seriously.

#justguttishthings

This reads as finger-pointing without any reason to back up your claims, but you wouldn't understand. Also, is CooLDoG your scumbuddy?

Why not put a vote on one of those people then?

Probably would have if I felt like a vote on any of them would go anywhere and/or thought that strongly about any of them as scum yet.

Unvote Suzune, maybe?

You think your RVS vote on Suzune will go more places then someone who you think has rigid posts?

Yes. Thank you.

Elyse what is your problem. Do you actually think I am scum or are you trolling me

The beginning of Dwlee slowing melting into paranoia.

VOTE: DWLEE
I ACTUALLY THINK EVERYONE IS SCUM UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE
COME AT ME.

ACAB.

I decided to stop declaring myself town because people scum read me for it. god damnit elyse.

One is town until someone else says you aren't. Logically, it is more likely for a person to be town. Saying it outright, without any prompting is like a wolf shouting "I'M A SHEEP. DON'T MIND ME."

Being "obvscum"as town is fun because yoi get all the people voting for you feeling like total idiots when ya flip

Baaaaa.

Suzune seems town, dwee is being awkward but also seems new, I believe it looked like someone was trying to look useful early game and that pinged me a bit (think it was beeboy, I'll go check) and that's where I'm at right now.

Did you go check? I don't think you checked.

Kinda got the impression people think I am obvscim from the stream of votes onto me as well as your repeated repeating of absoluteness on your scumread of me elyse.
I dont feel like checking pops.
I guess im rereadong despite hating doing that

Rereading is hard when you already know who the scum is. :/

As you all can see I'm the smart varsoon. Despite not being not varsoon.

You're the smart one because you're trying to save Dwlee from being lynched? Uh huhhhhh.

Dayvig: Dwlee

I've got one shot per day so may as well.

I guess this saves me from getting mislynched >.<

Heh your lying, I randomly received a message from the mod saying you are aligned with the Mafia.

Well then youre lyimg
I am august a vanilla townie.
Elyse is town. Dont lynch her.

NEVER CLAIM IF SHOT!
That was a reaction test and if anyone thinks he is scum you should probably rethink. Also at least 2 people in the playerlist should know who I am now.

Here is how this plays out in my head. NotNot and Dwlee are scumbuddies. NotNot is afk, while Dwlee gets himself in deep shit. NotNot tries to talk people out of lynching Dwlee and that, more or less, fails. So NotNot tells Dwlee in scum chat that he's going to fake-dayvig and that Dwlee should fake-claim. In Dwlee's panic and adrenaline rush from
the madness of the posts following this situation, he forgets when asked about being dayvigg in a previous game.

So yeah, I think they are in cahoots and if Dwlee flips scum, I'll be of the first to vote NotNot.

Everyone I have talked to so far feels town but I cant remember all who I have talked to.

Flail.

Are you reading the game, Cakez?

Clearly I am. I'm saying it's hypocritical to call out someone for trying to defuse a wagon then hopping off that wagon a page later.

Are you implying he didn't have reason to change his mind?

Cakey are you surrreeee youre town?

Aw, NotNot has a puppy.

It's three years since I joined MafiaScum. How time flies.

Happy scumday TSO!

I'd like Dwlee to confirm, but it seems almost guaranteed that he has never seen a fake dayvig gambit before, being as new as he is.

Haven't seen one.

.-.
What the fuck

Fucking xinderblock walls

You've been here 6 months and this is the first time you've ever seen a fake dayvig?

I'd like Dwlee to confirm, but it seems almost guaranteed that he has never seen a fake dayvig gambit before, being as new as he is.

They seem to show up in every game nowadays, so not sure how his games don't have them.

This is my first large theme. No one fakes shit like that in mini norms.

Or perhaps, not panic. Perhaps he didn't think anyone would read his previous games.

Actually, I'm afraid that's a lie. You have seen a fake dayvig gambit before, because RC used one on you in this game, at post #124. At post #152, you specifically note its usage.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Shit like this makes meta-gaming viable and I hate it.

Did you actually think NotNot was a dayvig here?

NotNot's claim was so out of the blue.

Yea, I did. I dayvigged someone on my home site after only 3 posts from them. I can see others doing it.

I don't even...

Fuck you I'm town. Like what the fuck do you want me to say right here? Cause I'm not fucking lying here.

I have swimming now, wont' have internet access for another hour and a half.

Flail.

Dwee, if you are town go stop posting until you've reread.
Then make a post listing your top five town and scum reads with reasons.
Until then;
VOTE: Dwlee

New NotNot voting Dwlee makes me wonder. Eh, still reads scummy.

Will you guys even look at my reads when I flip?

Everyone's input matters, dude.

[Venmar]

I'm going to hate this game if I have to read 15 pages every day every time I come back from my work cycle like ffs

Wgeurts replacing his confusing alt is probably the one event in this game so far that has made me happy!

[Aafter]

Less paragraph breaks for me. Got it.

[Dwlee99]

RIP 30 minutes of my life.

YT is a good vote.

If you flip town I will crusade for YT's lynch.

If you go back on this I'm hunting you down after the game.

[SirCakez]

Ok so what are your reads after composing that giant wall, Aafter?

[Dwlee99]

Everyone tells me to make a reads list cause it's "important" so after spending 30 minutes of my life one person responds to it. kthx

[Nero Cain]

Then what were you saying? It was the obvious implication.

no it wasn't. Me not hammering DW 'cause there's like no point to end the game day so early. Why are you so eager for it to end?

[Venmar]

Still somewhat captching up but i'm going to change my vote to:

Vote: popsofctown

Voted Venmar for post 45. Dismissing ignorance of setup size having any impact on alignment seems like he skipped even considering it. The scum have a size of scumteam would indicate what the size of the overall game ought to be. If it's multiball, it could deceive a player on the size of the game.

Overall I think forgetting the setup side leans town, since it suggest the player didn't look at their scum size and try to ascertain whether they needed to play multiball or single ball. I'm okay with a player analyzing and coming to the opposite conclusion, but I'm rather leery of someone who has seemed not to think about it at all, and seems to be rushing to make sure they take a stance one way or another on it.

- I mean this is just wrong? First of all it's unfair to assume I just dismissed the idea and didn't consider it; he's just discrediting me to try and make a point that isn't there. To me, ignorance of game size isn't alignment indicative because mafia can fake it easily and stupid town do it too often. I don't think players base their play off of whether or not its singleball or multiball either, that seems very silly.

I see no reason why he'd even bring up multiball anyways unless he had somekind of a reason to suspect multiball?

His other post like others have said also reeks of horrible fencesitting and makes me uncomfortable.

For the record i'm also not a fan of TSO. Sketchy posts in general, not a fan of his Hammer warning post since it eases tension on the wagon and looks too much like an easy brownie points grab.

[Aafter]

I still feel that Dwlee is scum. I think wgeurtsrtsasdwe is in league with him. grapes' initial posts rubbed me the wrong way. Otherwise, I think it's hard to get a good read on anyone. I may be too focused on the current events.