Micro 580: Shortnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

[This is my username]

In early Day One, Town shouldn't be as confident as lovelygiant is.

Chenoan's opening was bad, but that's really all I can see in the case against him.

Also, VOTE: Ranger for not participating and not leaving a reason for participating.

[Maestro]

Votecount 1.03

GROUP 1

RadiantCowbells -

0 / 2

lovelygiant -

0 / 2

Chenoan -

1 / 2

- lovelygiant

GROUP 2

Ranger -

1 / 2

- This is my username
xRECKONERx -

0 / 2

This is my username -

0 / 2

With

[6]

alive it takes

[2]

to Lynch in each group.

In this specific setup, "No Lynch" is not an option.

ACTIVITY CHECK & NOTES

:

Put votes on separate lines, please. It's in my ruleset.

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2016-02-27 18:55:00)

[xRECKONERx]

OMG RC RADIOHEAD <3

They're my fave.

Anyways, done recording now, but I have to run out because SURPRISE BLIZZARD THING is happening and we have to get groceries before we can't leave the house. At least that means I'll have ample time to check in and get caught up.

[Ranger]

{RadiantCowbells}
{lovelygiant}
{xRecokonerx, Chenoan}

[Ranger]

{RadiantCowbells}
{lovelygiant}
{This is my username}
{xRecokonerx, Chenoan}

[This is my username]

Ranger, what does that mean?

[Ranger]

Group 2 needs to start talking more.

What's there to say?
You're obviously town.
lovelygiant is pretty clearly town.
Chenoan is pretty obviously scum.

In my cell, I

think

xReckonerx[/i] is scum, and I believe This is my username is town, but the townread on This is my username is weak.

[This is my username]

UNVOTE: Ranger
I believe this vote has done it's job.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Ranger for not participating and not leaving a reason for participating.

Like stuff like this is worrying given

I have a V/LA banner

and I left Saturday before the game had started (thread was locked) so couldn't exactly explain in-thread why.

[This is my username]

I didn't know there was a V/LA banner.

[xRECKONERx]

Mmmkay. Hi.

Mostly gonna comment on shit from my pod and let the other pod sort itself out for now until there's more to dig thru.

@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?
@Ranger: What makes you think I am scum?

[xRECKONERx]

Oh we're on page four. Right. Hold on.

[This is my username]

@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?

Yes.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Chenoan

policy lynch.

He's right, though, Creep is meh.

okay fine, I'll stop insulting your music tastes. To be honest I only really listened to Radiohead because a guy I liked in college was into them.

Still FoS'ing you for quickvoting in an easy hammer situation, though. Why'd you do that when lovelygiant has yet to post

If it's that simple then this game is a lot more town slanted than I thought at first. Thanks for enlightening me RC

But in all seriousness, two people post that random votes are probably bad and then you vote for a non-game reason? Either you really think this game is just super town sided or part of you hopes to trick town into quicklynches and then framing the hammerer.

The paranoia over being quickhammered doesn't really track, here. Scum won't quickhammer in this situation due to the setup, and I think fearmongering over quickhammering is a pretty likely scum tactic. Like, if you were really worried about being quickhammered, would you not crossvote "confirmed scum" since you were worried about being quickhammered? (Sorry if my thought process isn't clear, I've had a couple of beers.)

Woah woah woah.

Definitely picked the right game to pop my mafiascum cherry. I'm definitely excited to see how this setup plays out.

Hello to Chenoan and Radiant Cowbells. The opening interaction is interesting, because either Radiant is civ and excellently caught Chenoan slipping up or Chenoan is civ and too easily got backed into a corner. Although I obviously can't prove it, I know that one of you has to be scum and I think this will be easier to decide on than I thought before the game started.

Votes are not nearly as precious a resource as early posts would have you believe. Hammering would reveal way too much for mafia, and if a civ hammers this early, they've more than earned the vengekill they'll eat.

So far I'm liking Radiant for mirroring similar thoughts.

Dislike this post as a whole, though... feels very fence-sitty and accomplishes little in the way of advancing the discourse. Instead gives reasons why either one of Chen/RC could be scum or town. The last bit is okay but the rest of it feels like padding to look more town.

if we lynch two town and they stupidly use the vengekill on a townie then mafia has already won, guys.

lovelygiant was that a subtle intent to hammer thrown in there?

Obviously a lot depends on both groups lynches. If only one maf gets lynched, then they get a nk on a conftown and put it into lylo with one conftown, which is probably the easiest win for us (outside of lynching both mafia today) assuming the conftown left behind has good reads. But if two townies get lynched and there isn't enough info in the thread to inform the nightkill then the mafia wins immediately.

Which is why I'm thinking Radiant is probscum. Trying to incite an early lynch where they are not the hammer vote and therefor are less suspicious.

Again, this post rubs me the wrong way. Still fearmongering over the AHHH MAFIA QUICKVOTE thing, which really holds no water. I'd expect town in this situation to at least back down and be a bit more reasonable than trying to throw dirt in RC's direction over feartactics. Also...don't really see where RC tried to incite an early lynch, unless I'm missing something.

Well no, I thought it was nothing to fear, but Lovelygiant's said some things that indicated that he might actually do it.

So I'd rather unvote.

I was hoping you'd catch that. That right there is why I'm townreading you already. Scum would have let it be and scores an easy lynch.

So now it's my turn.

VOTE: Chenoan

mmmmmmm

what tho?

From what I've read, RadiantCowbells often aggressively cases others. I've only seen a game where she was cult leader, though.

Oh,

goodie

-- meta!

@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?

Yes.

Interesting. What kind of goal were you trying to accomplish? Simply to get Ranger to post? What about Ranger's post satisfied you?

[This is my username]

@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?

Yes.

Interesting. What kind of goal were you trying to accomplish? Simply to get Ranger to post? What about Ranger's post satisfied you?

Yeah, I just wanted to hear his thoughts on the game so far. That and the fact that he had a V/LA banner satisfied me.

[Ranger]

@Ranger: What makes you think I am scum?

Bad RVS. Rather, lack of. Your 4 felt like it was an attempt to earn town credit. This is especially true given Chenoan (my main suspect from the other pod) immediately mirrored you in 5: it looked like something that you two had a conversation about in the scum topic, with you filling the role of IC and Chenoan being a newbie:
"Hey, so, in this setup, it would be a HILARIOUSLY bad idea to RVS, so don't do it", maybe with explanations as to why, perhaps even with your intended strategy coming into the day being discussed, with Chenoan going,
"Okay, makes sense".

I also feel like 61 is making an excuse for being wrong: "Oh, I'm always bad early, so if I'm bad it's not because I'm scum, I'm just bad, honest".

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Chenoan

policy lynch.

He's right, though, Creep is meh.

okay fine, I'll stop insulting your music tastes. To be honest I only really listened to Radiohead because a guy I liked in college was into them.

Still FoS'ing you for quickvoting in an easy hammer situation, though. Why'd you do that when lovelygiant has yet to post

If it's that simple then this game is a lot more town slanted than I thought at first. Thanks for enlightening me RC

But in all seriousness, two people post that random votes are probably bad and then you vote for a non-game reason? Either you really think this game is just super town sided or part of you hopes to trick town into quicklynches and then framing the hammerer.

The paranoia over being quickhammered doesn't really track, here. Scum won't quickhammer in this situation due to the setup, and I think fearmongering over quickhammering is a pretty likely scum tactic. Like, if you were really worried about being quickhammered, would you not crossvote "confirmed scum" since you were worried about being quickhammered? (Sorry if my thought process isn't clear, I've had a couple of beers.)

Woah woah woah.

Definitely picked the right game to pop my mafiascum cherry. I'm definitely excited to see how this setup plays out.

Hello to Chenoan and Radiant Cowbells. The opening interaction is interesting, because either Radiant is civ and excellently caught Chenoan slipping up or Chenoan is civ and too easily got backed into a corner. Although I obviously can't prove it, I know that one of you has to be scum and I think this will be easier to decide on than I thought before the game started.

Votes are not nearly as precious a resource as early posts would have you believe. Hammering would reveal way too much for mafia, and if a civ hammers this early, they've more than earned the vengekill they'll eat.

So far I'm liking Radiant for mirroring similar thoughts.

Dislike this post as a whole, though... feels very fence-sitty and accomplishes little in the way of advancing the discourse. Instead gives reasons why either one of Chen/RC could be scum or town. The last bit is okay but the rest of it feels like padding to look more town.

if we lynch two town and they stupidly use the vengekill on a townie then mafia has already won, guys.

lovelygiant was that a subtle intent to hammer thrown in there?

Obviously a lot depends on both groups lynches. If only one maf gets lynched, then they get a nk on a conftown and put it into lylo with one conftown, which is probably the easiest win for us (outside of lynching both mafia today) assuming the conftown left behind has good reads. But if two townies get lynched and there isn't enough info in the thread to inform the nightkill then the mafia wins immediately.

Which is why I'm thinking Radiant is probscum. Trying to incite an early lynch where they are not the hammer vote and therefor are less suspicious.

Again, this post rubs me the wrong way. Still fearmongering over the AHHH MAFIA QUICKVOTE thing, which really holds no water. I'd expect town in this situation to at least back down and be a bit more reasonable than trying to throw dirt in RC's direction over feartactics. Also...don't really see where RC tried to incite an early lynch, unless I'm missing something.

Well no, I thought it was nothing to fear, but Lovelygiant's said some things that indicated that he might actually do it.

So I'd rather unvote.

I was hoping you'd catch that. That right there is why I'm townreading you already. Scum would have let it be and scores an easy lynch.

So now it's my turn.

VOTE: Chenoan

mmmmmmm

what tho?

From what I've read, RadiantCowbells often aggressively cases others. I've only seen a game where she was cult leader, though.

Oh,

goodie

-- meta!

@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?

Yes.

Interesting. What kind of goal were you trying to accomplish? Simply to get Ranger to post? What about Ranger's post satisfied you?

Reckoner, what would you say your reads on group 1 are?

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm, okay.

I thought his emptyreads were rather lackluster. Posting a reads list with no content is pretty

blegh

, especially when he supposedly has reasons for thinking I'm scum / TIMU is town. I'd love to hear an extrapolation on those reasons.

p.edit: okay h/o

[xRECKONERx]

Reckoner, what would you say your reads on group 1 are?

this first b/c it's easier:

in order of towniness, it'd be you > LG > Chen

I don't think the scum case on Chen is as slam dunk as everyone's making it out to be...partially because literally everyone is making it out to be that easy, and that makes me hesitant

[xRECKONERx]

@Ranger: What makes you think I am scum?

Bad RVS. Rather, lack of. Your 4 felt like it was an attempt to earn town credit. This is especially true given Chenoan (my main suspect from the other pod) immediately mirrored you in 5: it looked like something that you two had a conversation about in the scum topic, with you filling the role of IC and Chenoan being a newbie:
"Hey, so, in this setup, it would be a HILARIOUSLY bad idea to RVS, so don't do it", maybe with explanations as to why, perhaps even with your intended strategy coming into the day being discussed, with Chenoan going,
"Okay, makes sense".

I also feel like 61 is making an excuse for being wrong: "Oh, I'm always bad early, so if I'm bad it's not because I'm scum, I'm just bad, honest".

This game is unique and different, so RVS seems pointless in a game like this. I can see how you'd read the me/Chen interactions that way, but I have no other defense of that than saying it was probably Chen echoing someone he saw as town to earn points rather than any kind of careful coaching situation. It could easily be either one - curious why you immediately jumped to "they're scumbuddies" instead of "scum sheeping town"?

Also, my "I'm bad at D1" post is in no way an attempt to write anything off. It was more of a mantra to push myself forward into the game. If you look at the last game I played on the site, I ate a lot of shit from people for not contributing in the early days of the game, which is usually my style. I'm very content to sit back and watch as town and then capitalize on my silent observations later on once the numbers have dwindled, and I cannot do that this game.

[xRECKONERx]

I actually think LG is more likely scum than Chen in Group 1. Rereading the interactions in group 1, it seems very much like Chen v RC had gotten into swing when LG arrives.

- Chen v RC over Radiohead jokey bullshit
- RC calls out Chen's paranoia over the "quickhammer" fear
- RC declares his vote serious
- LG shows up with a fence-sitting post leaving options open
- LG takes the pressure already on Chen and RUNS with it

I dunno. Something about the way LG entered the thread and immediately thought this Chen thing was a slam dunk is really rubbing me the wrong way, in retrospect. I think I'd prefer LG > Chen > RC at this point.

[lovelygiant]

I entered like it was a slam dunk thing because it reads like a slam dunk thing. Chen's posts aren't very town-driven at all. If you can't see that, I feel bad for you, Ranger. If I'm going to garner suspicion for being confident in my read, I'll live with that lol.

[lovelygiant]

I'm still insistent on the fact that Chen, if town, should have been scumreading me after I traded hammers with RC, but instead he stayed on RC for fear of being inconsistent. He just breathes scum in town's clothing.

[Ranger]

It could easily be either one - curious why you immediately jumped to "they're scumbuddies" instead of "scum sheeping town"?

Because the way it was done did not look like scum sheeping town. It looked like scum following scum.

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If you can't see that, I feel bad for you, Ranger.

Wrong 'R' name? I fully support Chen being scum.

[lovelygiant]

EBWOP: Was talking to Reckoner, not Ranger, in post 96.