Blitz 25: Super Mario uPick! (Koopa Troop victory!)

[Fraggernaut]

Also

VOTE: Firebringer

[Fraggernaut]

Im reading Amihan slight scum, don't know why there's a second one on my list.

[RadiantCowbells]

Super Mario Mafia:

Votecount #2.26:

L-2

Fraggernaut (4): Aristophanes, BlueTrin, Firebringer, Ranger
BlueTrin (1): Amihan
Firebringer (1): Fraggernaut
Heat (1): Flubbernugget
Ranger (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Amihan (0):
Fire Starter (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Flubbernugget (0):

Not voting: Heat, Frozen Angel, Fire Starter

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-17 07:00:00).

Picture:

Peach

Notes:

Wrong peach?

[Fire Starter]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fragger

[Fire Starter]

L-1

[Heat]

VOTE: fire starter

That vote on fragger is horrible.

[Heat]

Yo fragger, I don't understand your ari scumread. Can you walk me through it?

[Frozen Angel]

I don't see Ari scum like at all ...

I think he is fairly town ... hmm

[Flubbernugget]

Ew I don't like heat for town

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: fire starter

That vote on fragger is horrible.

Why the vote on Fire Starter?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Heat

You slipped this one in there pretty well, but what was the reasoning for placing your vote at that time?

[Fire Starter]

VOTE: fire starter

That vote on fragger is horrible.

I disliked his vote on firebringer. So I voted him. You disliked that I disliked his vote so you voted me. Should I now vote you because I dislike you voting me for voting him?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: fire starter

That vote on fragger is horrible.

I disliked his vote on firebringer. So I voted him. You disliked that I disliked his vote so you voted me. Should I now vote you because I dislike you voting me for voting him?

Voteception

[Fraggernaut]

Yo fragger, I don't understand your ari scumread. Can you walk me through it?

I was reading them town as well after the whole failed gambit, or whatever the hell it was they were trying to do. Then the rest of day one, and day two they've said they were going to do things, but their votes were placed elsewhere, and thats a huge scum trait which pinged me weird.

@Fire Start which is natural since you are town reading two of my top scum reads, and are probably just mafia with one or both.

[Fraggernaut]

I also would love to see the case against me, cause there's not one other then the neighborhood situation which I had no control of when it comes to this slot. I sure as hell wouldn't of taken Firebringer and probably most likely not FA. One is probably scum which is why Firebringer jumped on it so hard.

[Fraggernaut]

Phone post.

Unfortunately I'll be at work during deadline . I've already posted more content & thoughts & reads then other viable Lynch candidates. I'm town & my role is town sided so it would be detrimental to lynch me. Though on the opposite side of things , a no lynch is horrible for town . If I'm lynched look at my wagon as well as those who help lead to a no lynch. Both Fires I would lynch in a heart beat . At least one is scum, also look at Aristophane.

[BlueTrin]

I just wanted to clarify a few points with Fragger's recent posts:

Pages 8- 11

BlueTrin's #199 seems cherry picked to fit a agenda, which is to vote lilith without any real actual reasoning.

This is #199:

If it's not counted as a no lynch, we should at the very least try it. If nothing happens then you all can laugh at me, but until then just work with me here.

I have been told in my first game, that no lynch is bad for us because lynches are the only weapon against the Mafia. But the newbie setup has alot of vanilla townies so it may be different here.

That was an interesting wagon, these people voted against Amihan

• Flubbernugget
  
• Frozen Angel
  
• Heat
  
• Aristophanes
  
• Jackal711
  
• lilith2013, but retracted as Amihan was at L-1

I'd lean towards something bad happening because of it.

Could you provide a reasonable example?

Theoretically, the mod's function is to hold information. The way the logic played out in my past experience was that lynching the mod would weaken that and release some information. Mind you, this wasn't our reasoning in lynching him (we did so because "lol why not"), but that was the mod's logic in choosing

before the game started

to have a player exposed if that were to happen.

On the first page, the mod said that he has absolute power: i.e. this is a democracy where he has N+1 votes, so I do not think your argument is very strong.

I want to hear if ami has some kind of evidence related to her role (which I think she hinted at) leading her to believe this.

This sounds like rolefishing.

Can you explain what it is without giving away your role?

This sounds like defense to not be accused of rolefishing.

I have got to know which Mario character has "1. Lynch the Mod 2.??? 3.Profit" In their Wiki

Regardless, glad this is all over!
I have to go back and get other reads since I've decided to hold off on Lil for now.
off the top of my head, Firebringer town, Flub Town, FA scumlean.

I was wondering if he was trying to give breadcrumbs, but this sounds so silly. Is there a Mario character which benefits from lynching a mod ? I do not think so ...

VOTE: Amihan

becuase all he can get from 7 pages is paranoia of me being white knighting him in all these pages :/

Agree, this took epic proportions ... All this drama is diverting us from scumhunting.
Not much to analyse, but because Lilith joined the wagon and unvoted, and then Lilith looks like she was rolefishing and then corrected herself as it could have been interpreted as rolefishing.

VOTE: lilith2013

You may agree or disagree but to say that there is no reasoning is stretching a bit ?

If you go back to this period, there were pages of non relevant posts due to Ami creating some confusion, I tried to find information in this mess.

BlueTrin's reads list in #256 really doesn't help town at all, most are null reads.

Already explained this, they were not null, consider null/town = leaning town, null/scum = leaning scum.

This one is gonna follow me to the end of times ...

For reference this is #256:

A bit busy at work recently, but here are my reads:

• Amihan: this was absolutely hilarious in retrospect, he is either town or very ballsy scum, using balance of probabilities, I think he is more likely to be town.
  
• Aristophanes: null/town, I like his scumhunting. Also he is vouching for Lilith at the moment.
  
• Xtoxm: null/scum, very short posts
  
• Lilith2013: null/scum, some other people are vouching for her, but I didn't like her posts and her correcting herself like if she thought she could be accused of something.
  
• Fire Starter: null/town, a bit of scumhunting.
  
• Ranger: null/scum, too few posts.
  
• Frozen Angel: null, she is vouching for Lilith in 242, so I guess we may have an association here.
  
• Firebringer: null, I liked the posts about Ami, however there was not much afterwards.
  
• Heat: null, his posts are very short, he posted his gut read instead of bringing arguments to the table, however there seems to be some intention of finding scum whether it is true or not.
  
• Flubbernugget: null/scum, not much content, most of his posts were during the Amihan crisis.
  
• RadiantCowbells: scum.

On another note, in my previous game, someone made the same argument "even if town, good lynch" and this person was town: the argument was that it was better to have a lynch than no lynch because if someone is close to be lynched he would be suspected the next day and is likely to be lynched.

I don't know if I can agree with this though, maybe it is because I played too much Town of Salem and SC2 Mafia ...

Pages 11-18

BlueTrin's #373 could be seen as trying to conform to the will of town, to get in good with town.

This is #373:

I do not like how BlueTrin came out of 10/11 pages with only null reads, with the most being leans. That doesn't sit well with me at all

I think he explained why pretty well, though I will maybe possibly eventually look at other D1s of his to see if he's always wishy washy like this.

But even with the amount of explanation he did, I'd expect something a bit more solid.

There were a lot of null with modifiers.
I took them as "light town" and "light scum" reads, which I make all the time in readslists.

Blue, can you confirm or deny that this is a proper marker of the strength of your differing null reads?

This is correct, I didn't realise that you would prefer light town or light scum rather than null/town or null/scum. If this is causing confusion, I can just use "light town" and "light scum". I am far from being 100% sure at the moment and this is my way to say it. In the end, I understand that you have to go with your strongest read even if you are not 100% sure.

My strongest scum reads were Xtorm and Lilith. For Lilith I had made already a post about why (199), it was the case. For Xtorm, it is that not only he posts very few but he joins wagons a bit late like if wanted to tip the votes once there was a few votes:
201
281

But for Xtorm, I like his questioning of Jackal in 235

8:20AM I need to go to work here, I will probably finish after the dead line but I will try to log on my phone at some point during the day.

PEDIT, it is my way to say that I am not 100% sure,I already explained my choices and put my vote.

How is this confirming to the will of the town ? Almost all my reads in the listyou criticised except one had a modifier, now you find it suspicious to explain them ?

If I don't explain them I am scum, if I explain them I am scum anyway, is that your argument ?

Vote Count from #601, all three trying to claim its a scum neighborhood

Xtoxm (3):

Aristophanes

,

BlueTrin

,

Firebringer

Look at that, three players real close to the bottom of my list all voting for me.

Can you show me where I claim it's a scum neighbourhood ? My focus is more on Xtoxm posts rather than the fact that trying to imply that the neighbourhood is scummy.

In fact this is the only post (that I remember) where I try to infer something from Xtoxm neighbourhood:

Xtoxm, am I getting this all wrong ? Is that because you are using day chat in your neighbourhood ? This would make sense so you could share opinions in a smaller group.

[BlueTrin]

I also would love to see the case against me, cause there's not one other then the neighborhood situation which I had no control of when it comes to this slot. I sure as hell wouldn't of taken Firebringer and probably most likely not FA. One is probably scum which is why Firebringer jumped on it so hard.

Correct me if I am wrong, I thought your predecessor chose his targets in the pre-game so I don't know how you would have chosen better.

Here is the post from FB mentioning that it was setup during the pre-game stages. As always, feel free to correct me if I misunderstood what pre-game is.

Was this neighbourhood set up at gamestart or is this new as of last night?

(Were you neighbourized or is this a setup thing?)

Xtoxm told us he had a 2-preshot game neighborize that he used on me and Frozen angel.
We had this during the pregame stages but didn't use it that much, and it was locked during the day. As it is now.

[Ranger]

Nothing in Fragger's posting has done anything to change my opinion of the slot.

[Firebringer]

Scum order.

Green

is town,

White

is null,

Red

is scum.

Heat

Flubbernugget

Frozen Angel (Slight town read)
Amihan
Ranger Jackal

Amihan

(Slight scum lean)

Aristophanes

BlueTrin

Fire Starter

Firebringer

You have too many scum reads my friend.

[BlueTrin]

VOTE: fire starter

That vote on fragger is horrible.

I disliked his vote on firebringer. So I voted him. You disliked that I disliked his vote so you voted me. Should I now vote you because I dislike you voting me for voting him?

Voteception

[Firebringer]

I also would love to see the case against me, cause there's not one other then the neighborhood situation which I had no control of when it comes to this slot. I sure as hell wouldn't of taken Firebringer and probably most likely not FA. One is probably scum which is why Firebringer jumped on it so hard.

This was done in pregame, how would you know either of us are scum in a pregame?

You realize how idiotic this sounds, right?

[Firebringer]

Also

VOTE: Firebringer

Cool, nice vote. Why me over your other 3 scum reads.

[Aristophanes]

Just an FYI Blue, when putting something in a spoiler (like you tried above) if you use the "spoiler=" tag instead of the "spoiler" tag then instead of getting

this

you will get

Spoiler:

this.

[Firebringer]

This leads me to believe that Firebringer is scum trying to discredit a town sided group as either mafia or the other mason. Also that my slot during pregame possibly chose not one, but two scum to be in their neighborhood. Feels bad

Ummm...I was saying neighborizor was more likely a town role than anything else. You are horrible at reading.