Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Almost50]

I want Almost to go into his scumread on me because he seems to have never done that.

Sorry, mate. You're not a top priority right now. You're just a minor scum lean (as it stands right now) and it could change significantly as the day goes on.

My top scum reads (before the night action results) were (in order): PK & TSO (tied) followed by beeboy & pops (also tied). I'm more or less going to be focused on these four for a great chunk of the day. In fact, if I was king I'd lynch PK on the spot. If I was a dayvig I would shoot him too. But alas; I'm neither, so I'd have to do it the good old fashioned way (I never was good at making cases, but I will try my best):

PK started off by stating he didn't like his role. (Exact quote:"I dont know if I like my character.")

Then a few one liners & even one character (just an icon) until:

I dont like the aggressive push on dwlee. I think its over the top on a player I think is too new to be able to handle it well.

I mean, sure we can flip him, but a

town Dwlee really hurts a few player's standings.

Then in 383 he restates concerns DW might not be scum, (yet he still is on DW's wagon a the end of the day.). If you would care to read the actual post, you'd see what he's sating is:

1- DW is probably town, 2- I'm voting him anyway, 3- I'm not reading.

which sound both lazy & scummy to me.

In 644 he -once again- sounds confident DW is town. WTH? (this post of PK's is one of the few points working FOR TSO in my view), and in 712 he is still defending DW. Did it stop him from eventually jumping the wagon?

On 1504 he's making a prelude to vote DW on 1511 then lining up D2 lynch in already in 1518.

That was all from PK on D1. He started D2 with an OMGUS'y vote on YT and he has yet to bring ANYTHING to the table. Hell, I could safely say I contributed more than him already, and I practically lurked out for most of D1.

[grapes]

Nice question dodge homie. Let's get why on that 'minor scumlean.'

[grapes]

In 644 he -once again- sounds confident DW is town. WTH? (this post of PK's is one of the few points working FOR TSO in my view)

Explain how that PK post is in favor of TSO.

[grapes]

PK started off by stating he didn't like his role. (Exact quote:"I dont know if I like my character.")

Why is this scummy?

[YT2980]

I mean, I really can't see a town explanation for the way pisskop is playing. Anyone who is more fair-minded and not his wagon bother to look for hints as far as him flipping town. I don't want to zero in on the wrong target too much.

[YT2980]

*not on his wagon
*please bother

[beeboy]

eeing that there are 20 votes, why don't we come to a consensus by giving a 3 to whoever you would rather target the most, a 2 to your second biggest target, and a 1 to your third biggest target among popsofcptown, beeboy and pisskop. We can add the points up in the end and pressure the 2 with the most points. Yea or nay on this idea?

Didn't Titus specifically tell us NOT to do this?

[grapes]

I've read a few pisskop games (or more explicitly happened to be reading games he was in) and let's just say I don't find the case on him impressive at all.
Better vig shot imo.

[beeboy]

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Titus wasn't just killed because she was looking town something here has to be right.

[YT2980]

eeing that there are 20 votes, why don't we come to a consensus by giving a 3 to whoever you would rather target the most, a 2 to your second biggest target, and a 1 to your third biggest target among popsofcptown, beeboy and pisskop. We can add the points up in the end and pressure the 2 with the most points. Yea or nay on this idea?

Didn't Titus specifically tell us NOT to do this?

I don't recall that. I must have missed it.

[beeboy]

oh tuck that quote but you guys get it.

[Almost50]

Now, I think suzune and grapes are undoubtedly town. I seen them pursuing after during the last day phase, and I can't ponder why they would draw attention to their scum mate if they were scum when nobody paid him any mind previously. That would be dumb given that he was eventually nk'd.

Keep in mind the possibility of a multi-ball game (3 NK's). You'd be spot on only if there's a PGO AND a Vig (or anything to the same lines to justify 3 kills).

[YT2980]

Now, I think suzune and grapes are undoubtedly town. I seen them pursuing after during the last day phase, and I can't ponder why they would draw attention to their scum mate if they were scum when nobody paid him any mind previously. That would be dumb given that he was eventually nk'd.

Keep in mind the possibility of a multi-ball game (3 NK's). You'd be spot on only if there's a PGO AND a Vig (or anything to the same lines to justify 3 kills).

Ugh. So what possibilities exist as far as scum having 2 kills? I dread the very thought of that.

[grapes]

Now, I think suzune and grapes are undoubtedly town. I seen them pursuing after during the last day phase, and I can't ponder why they would draw attention to their scum mate if they were scum when nobody paid him any mind previously. That would be dumb given that he was eventually nk'd.

Keep in mind the possibility of a multi-ball game (3 NK's). You'd be spot on only if there's a PGO AND a Vig (or anything to the same lines to justify 3 kills).

This is Almost ignoring a towncase on a scumread that hinges on the game not being multiball.
But in his last post on pisskop - he explicitly uses preflip associatives to say 'TSO looks better for this pisskop post' that hinges on the game also not being multiball.

His thoughts and reads are convenient and fake.

[grapes]

VOTE: Almost50

Let's get this going.

[Suzune]

Now, I think suzune and grapes are undoubtedly town. I seen them pursuing after during the last day phase, and I can't ponder why they would draw attention to their scum mate if they were scum when nobody paid him any mind previously. That would be dumb given that he was eventually nk'd.

Keep in mind the possibility of a multi-ball game (3 NK's). You'd be spot on only if there's a PGO AND a Vig (or anything to the same lines to justify 3 kills).

Ugh. So what possibilities exist as far as scum having 2 kills? I dread the very thought of that.

I mean there could be any number of combinations, I see no reason to speculate the possibility and instead focus on the people. No reason to fear the set up. The goal has not changed. Catch the scum.

[SirCakez]

There's too many people I want to wagon right now. It's better to consolidate otherwise pressure goes nowhere. My wagon order atm is Beeboy > Piss > Pops > Almost.

[SirCakez]

There's tons of possibilities for the multiple night kills, trying to "solve the game" won't get us anywhere. Could be a scum team, vig and SK, scum team with two kills a la YCBA 4 and a SK, scum team, vig and PGO, etc. Way too many possibilities.

[YT2980]

Now, I think suzune and grapes are undoubtedly town. I seen them pursuing after during the last day phase, and I can't ponder why they would draw attention to their scum mate if they were scum when nobody paid him any mind previously. That would be dumb given that he was eventually nk'd.

Keep in mind the possibility of a multi-ball game (3 NK's). You'd be spot on only if there's a PGO AND a Vig (or anything to the same lines to justify 3 kills).

Ugh. So what possibilities exist as far as scum having 2 kills? I dread the very thought of that.

I mean there could be any number of combinations, I see no reason to speculate the possibility and instead focus on the people. No reason to fear the set up. The goal has not changed. Catch the scum.

Yeah, true.

I have to stay on pisskop for the time being. If he doesn't answer my question, that raises red flags everywhere as it highlights how ill-productive he is being for town.

No reason attached to votes, only one vote last day phase and on a player he thought was town, bare posts with little to nothing showing that he's here to help town. No town purpose, dodging questions, appearing like he knew dwlee would flip town.

Granted, if by some chance he is town, this will be an easy bandwagon for scum to jump on, but still, I'm inclined to think he's scum.

[grapes]

Actually 1608 makes me wanna vote beeboy again.

VOTE: beeboy

[Suzune]

Beeboy, I would rather hear about who you think is scum? Care you share? Yesterday you did not care what the train was as long as it was not Dwlee

[YT2980]

I think the almost wagon is one we should save for later anyway.

Right now, it should be between pops, beeboy, and pisskop imo. If all three can be cleared, so to speak, then I'd want to look into him, tso, and elyse. If you're town among those three aforementioned main targets, it's your job to clear yourself.

[YT2980]

I'm inclined to think elyse is town now, but for dwlee I'll look into her further.

[Elyse]

Does anyone have experience with beeboy? He doesn't seem like a ballsy scum player who would put himself out there like he did.

[YT2980]

Does anyone have experience with beeboy? He doesn't seem like a ballsy scum player who would put himself out there like he did.

Well, I know he was scum in the last game I played:

Here if you want to view: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65087

This game seems like an utter contrast.