Paint Mafia! - Game Over!

[acryon]

Definition of bastard by large theme queue stuffs

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes,

moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not)

, secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Pretty sure people being able to have their colour changed without being told as such doesn't fit into this.

The fact that the mod didn't immediately go "yeah you'd be told" also makes me think that you may not be told.

Ech.

changing a person role would fall under the bolded. its subjective overall but i would classify it as a bastard elemt to not inform the town of such thing

Well no. Functionally what is being proposed is very close to a tailor. They aren't changing their alignment or their role. They are just changing what they investigate as.

[Elbirn]

Okay fine so there's probably 2 more scum left. I was thinking 4 was too much? But 3 is clearly far too little, particularly when town has a free public cop every day basically.

I still think scum would be able to paint town, I see no reason why not, and it's clearly allowed for by normal guidelines. Silver, part of what you bolded explains how this is, mechanics such as "tailor", et al. Are accounted for in that.

Edit: and acryon ninjas

[Davsto]

But I wouldn't consider having a colour being a role - it's merely what you appear as when flipped/palleted or whatever other mechanics are in this game.

I mean look at Role PMs - they don't say "You're a Blue VT", they say "You're a VT and you're blue". You are informed as to what your colour at the game start is, but just then. It's not integral to your role as part of your role would be.

Anyway discussing this is pointless now since we're gonna be told by the mod so you'll probably get to rub in my face how wrong I am

[acryon]

I've been debating this, but it seems like a good a time as any since I finally got a result. I still like Papa Zito for a color-flip outside of this, but I think we have to color-flip and lynch inside of the 3 I’ll highlight below.

I am Town Selective Sensor. Each night, I select 3 players and the mod tells me how many of them have wet paint and how many have dry paint.

N1 I selected Spiffeh, Anxiety Attack, and lillith. I was informed 2 of the players had dry paint (3rd blocked by asceticism).

N2, I selected Spiffeh, DGB, and RC. I was informed 2 of the players had dry paint (3rd blocked by asceticism).

N3, I selected West, Firebringer, and Aristophanes. I was informed 2 of the players had dry paint and

one had wet paint

. One of West, Firebringer, and Ari were painted sometime recently to have the characteristic of “wet paint”.

I was never given any info on what dry/wet paint actually means (this is intended as I asked the mod) nor was I ever told who specifically was wet or dry.

Especially given the possibility that scum can paint town, any info my role can give should probably just come out before I die.

[Aristophanes]

Excellent!

I guess I apologize for my bullheadedness in the flip stage yesterday. I just really wanted to lynch DGB scum and thought the whole ordeal was stupid.

UNVOTE:

Who would you prefer of these three, Acryon?

[acryon]

Excellent!

I guess I apologize for my bullheadedness in the flip stage yesterday. I just really wanted to lynch DGB scum and thought the whole ordeal was stupid.

UNVOTE:

Who would you prefer of these three, Acryon?

Unsure at this point. Hoping to see what the crowd thinks. What do you think?

[Aristophanes]

Well, I'll theorize here I guess.

If West has wet paint, I'd guess it's from being painted Red. It depends how long paint is wet for really. But I'd think he'd have been painted in anticipation of a reflip, since most of those who advocated for it yesterday live still.

Fire may be alright to flip, a purple induces wine for what the original colour was, blue and he's cleared.

I know I started blue, so I expect a blue flip.
If I am purple, townies for sure get painted.

So Fire would probably tell us the most, imo.

[lilith2013]

Are we thinking it's more likely for scum to paint themselves or paint town?

[Spiffeh]

Out of those I'd prefer to flip West again

[Spiffeh]

But wait wouldn't wet paint imply that scum pained someone blue recently?

So they would just flip blue anyway?

[Spiffeh]

Assuming players aren't informed when they are painted

[Anxiety Attack]

N1 we were hidden due to being asceticized and everyone else was dry so if anyone wants to flip us, I'm fine with that. We are blue but if it'll put your mind at ease, I'm cool with it.

N2 was Spiffeh, flipped scum, and flipped town

N3 was West (blue flipe), Firebringer and Ari-one of these was wet and recently painted.

I think we should color flip one of Firebringer or Ari today.

Also, wouldn't a wet painted person be purple so if West was blue we should go with

one of Firebringer or Ari today

for a color flip.

UNVOTE:

~SW

[acryon]

Part of me wants to go West, but I also fear that he would be dry by now, which means one of Ari or Firebringer as AA stated.

[lilith2013]

Well we flipped west D2. Maybe the reason scum didn't kill him was to paint him "red" except it turned out purple instead

[acryon]

It's also worth noting that Fire has done absolutely nothing since they replaced.

[Aristophanes]

N1 we were hidden due to being asceticized and everyone else was dry so if anyone wants to flip us, I'm fine with that. We are blue but if it'll put your mind at ease, I'm cool with it.

N2 was Spiffeh, flipped scum, and flipped town

N3 was West (blue flipe), Firebringer and Ari-one of these was wet and recently painted.

I think we should color flip one of Firebringer or Ari today.

Also, wouldn't a wet painted person be purple so if West was blue we should go with

one of Firebringer or Ari today

for a color flip.

UNVOTE:

~SW

Agreed fully.

[lilith2013]

What do you mean he would be dry by now?

[acryon]

Well we flipped west D2. Maybe the reason scum didn't kill him was to paint him "red" except it turned out purple instead

Yeah but that theory would require scum to think we would be willing to color-flip West again, and I think there were enough people against this to assume this wouldn't be likely.

[acryon]

What do you mean he would be dry by now?

Well my feeling is that there is probably some timing in the wet/dry situation. If a player is painted, it wouldn't stay wet forever. So if scum, say, painted West N1, he would be dry by now.

[lilith2013]

I suppose that's true.

VOTE: firebringer

[Anxiety Attack]

Yeah, Firebringer's ISO is devoid of any content. He replaced Marquis who pushed BBT pretty hard which made me townread him but still, he could be scum.

Ari replaced Frogger who was pretty town and looks fairly town since replacing.

I guess we can flip one and lynch the other if the person we flip is blue as that will likely confirm the other as scum?

I mean, it's getting to a PoE game at this point either and one of these two is likely scum.

VOTE: Firebringer

~SW

[lilith2013]

Yeah, Firebringer's ISO is devoid of any content. He replaced Marquis who pushed BBT pretty hard which made me townread him but still, he could be scum.

Ari replaced Frogger who was pretty town and looks fairly town since replacing.

I guess we can flip one and lynch the other if the person we flip is blue as that will likely confirm the other as scum?

I mean, it's getting to a PoE game at this point either and one of these two is likely scum.

VOTE: Firebringer

~SW

I agree with all of this.

[acryon]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Davsto]

see my gut says that "wet paint" means they've been painted at any point during the course of the game

Because "see if they've been painted that particular night" is extremely specific and, 9 times out of 10, will be completely useless.

[acryon]

see my gut says that "wet paint" means they've been painted at any point during the course of the game

Because "see if they've been painted that particular night" is extremely specific and, 9 times out of 10, will be completely useless.

This is a good point.