Secret Hitler (Voting)

[shos]

/heil yes!

lol

/in

*nobody be offended, I'm jewish too

[shos]

Game start?

[shos]

Kewlz

I'm saddened that I'm a liberal

[shos]

ok
so MR. President, why did you choose Drench?

[shos]

Come on people, start talking!

[shos]

the d10 was choosing the PRESIDENT. then, the president chose Drench by himself, without random dice. Now we have to vote if we agree or disagree for Drecnh-counsellor.

[shos]

because they don't matter yet, lol

and this is wierd on forum lol

[shos]

NOMINATE: SHOS

[shos]

people should start nominating and all

[shos]

the d10 was choosing the PRESIDENT. then, the president chose Drench by himself, without random dice. Now we have to vote if we agree or disagree for Drecnh-counsellor.

lol I'm hilarious
Now I truly am reading

why is there no nomonation yet, Drench?

[shos]

guys the game will only begin to be with-a-point after the first nomination is accepted. only then we can analyse based on cards and all

[shos]

for this reason I think Lilith is probably Fascist.

[shos]

Fascist plicies will happen, this is not relevant. step by step.

I also think Mr Trow is scum, along with Lilith, but neither are Hitler

Drench, please nom someone asap.

[shos]

guys stop fucking walling, MAKE A NOMINATION. has nobody played this before?

[shos]

Finally
I will vote JA

[shos]

GUYS
THE GAME NEEDS TO PROGRESS

vote ja.

[shos]

They are irrelevant.

[shos]

Atonis, reason?
There is exactly one cprrect answer

[shos]

*sigh*

guyzzzzz

have you voted yet

[shos]

Jelly, after you are chosen, and choose a policy, tell us which options you had; and then Drench will confirm.

[shos]

what? I faked interest? no i didn't
nothing's interesting still

the game needs to move along first. your mudslinging is sort of acceptable though so you may live

[shos]

Alright, I finally got me some time, (as in, I have to study and have nothing else to do) so I'm gonna read and comment on all of pages 2-5, but be warned that I still think this is for no reason until we actually get a nomination chosen JA.
~~~

[shos]

ok legitimately so what are we doing here
should i just nominate someone after everyone checks in or what

Pretty sure this one is liberal. If anyone gets scum, they *surely* triple read the rules for a unique game in order to not spoil this.

You should probably just nominate someone, yes!

good post Y_Y

@shos: any preferred topic?
You were the first to request the game to start.
Second to actually post when it did, directly after an 'i want to be investigated'-post
You then asked the d10, why it rolled 3 and now are asking others to get this started.

Since you effectively declared the 'i want to be investigated'-post, not worth discussing.
Who should Drench nominate as chancellor and why?
My other pick: lillith, her assistance in BEs tactic might be null-read stuff, but at least she is doing something
Picks on which i will consider voting nein: BE 'gut says play mafia', followed by doing nothing and you (see above)

the d10 was choosing the PRESIDENT. then, the president chose Drench by himself, without random dice. Now we have to vote if we agree or disagree for Drecnh-counsellor.

34 is funny wunny in the way he treats my previous posts as if they hold anything. as can be learnt from 35, I made a mistake by then, and I thought it was davsto running the game(he's modding another game I'm in), so I thought the mod was the president, rolling D10 to decide the chancellor. That should close the deal

[shos]

I think we should go down the line (Drench picks me as Chancellor, then I pick Piggy as Chancellor, and so on). It would give us the most connection between ballots and voting patterns, at least until we have a better idea of who could be a fascist.

bad idea, it robs town of information of who-chose-who and benefits scum probably if by any chance they are one above each other.

Obviously yes I want to be elected, because I know I'm a liberal and it allows me to figure out whether the other person in my ballot is too. At least I'm trying to contribute here. Do you have a better idea?

this feels fake as hell

[shos]

@shos: i know you have decided to not read posts and not give any reasoning what so ever for any preferred groups of government.
But could you at least: read the fuckin rules.

this is hilarious

[shos]

'read the fuckin rules' may have been needlessly harsh, sorry
shos is still a fascist though.

So here's a question; you think I haven' read the rules, so..how does that make me a Fascist? anyone who knows me knows that as scum I'm extremely cautious?

[shos]

aronis4chancellor.org

DNS fail

[shos]

Please vote ja! or nein via PM for the government of President Drench and Chancellor For WhomTheJellyRolls.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-01-15 15:17:50)

Election Tracker

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Did everyone vote JA yet?

[shos]

Is there a point to reminding Jelly the options are confirmable?
Other than the obvious of-course.

As for Jelly's 'i felt you made claims you couldn't back up, but i can't back it up'
I think i'm ready to vote.

I think we're off better with a fascist removing a fascist card from the game and addint a liberal final choice, than the other way around+we know he's fascist.

[shos]

well, if I hadn't said that, he might have chosen a fascist policy and thrown away a liberal one, and later we'd get it and kill him or something.

if I DO say it, then he probably would choose the liberal if he has 1/2 choice, instead of dying; so I think it's better. We have three times more likely to get a fascist; assuming president is liberal, he'll probably pass on a 1/2 to the chancellor, so it's better.

[shos]

Trow, why did you vote NEIN?

[shos]

Your grasp of the game is currently nonesense.

[shos]

I sorta think Aronis is for some reason crumbing hitler, lol.
don't know why he'd do that though

I don't trust his posts.

[shos]

There's about 25% chance to have all fascist cards on the first round. if we start getting more liberals then it could make sense; and after 5 governments we'll have real good chances to check out what the presidents say. For now, we have reason to suspect Drench. But he is the one choosing the actions, so that's sorta useless. no reason to re-involve Jelly.

In my opinoin, Drench should investigate the next president candidate, which is

Lilith

. if she comes out town, then we know we can trust her with passing 2 cards, and likely we can test/get liberal stuff enacted. If she's scum, then obviously we will vote nein and kill her when we can.

[shos]

Do you guys agree with my idea for why

LILITH

should be checked by Drench?

[shos]

Im prrtty sure you are not allowed to talkk, drench

[shos]

Klick whay do you think of my proposal?

[shos]

Eh sorry you are lol i confused

[shos]

Irl everyone can talk anytime and everything is muvh easier.

[shos]

We are guaranteed to have at least 4 elections. we can just skip some presidents if you really feel like it.

I think we focus on Lilith and if she's fascist, Klick is probably not hitler

[shos]

Aronis is fascist, prob not hitlker, and yet crumbing to hitlker.

Liith shoild be investigated.

Game on

[shos]

[Aronis, lilith, klick] for fascists

[shos]

Saying whoever he wants is being useless. The idea is to hekp him want the correct peraon, lol.

[shos]

(Lilith)

[shos]

I had a small titbjt against lilith earlier, but it is mainly because my plan is probably most useful and you are tryinf to divert against it.

Re: info on bottom people: choose them as cancellors.

[shos]

Yeah, I don't see how this does not fit my plan

[shos]

How so?
inv Lilith to make sure our next choice is safe, then chancellor goes to the end of the list like you said?

[shos]

Do you realize we have time to talk before the nomination

[shos]

you sound fake as hell.

[shos]

of course.

And your goal is always to get liberal laws in, because it buys you time and gets you info, and 'tests' will inevitably happen.

[shos]

So uf he says she is fascist, your read on him does not change?

[shos]

because you supertownread lilith for some reason, so if he says the opposite, you're inclined to think he's fascist even further.

case in point: you're bullshitting

[shos]

should that answer be no, we automatically skip lilith, and then also skip Klick

[shos]

If lilith is scum, then you defending her means you're skipped as well

[shos]

you insisted that drench does not investigate her.

[shos]

and anyway, 1v1s will be sorted later, there is no harm in skipping twice.

[shos]

You do realize Lilith is now the president candidate

[shos]

well that sucks butts.

[shos]

make me chancellor?

[shos]

^^^ this guy is dope

[shos]

So basically what you say is that you think both Lilith and Drench as fascists, yes?

or I don't get it, do you realize lilith is the PRESIDENT candidate? you don't vote for her, you vote for her choice of chancellor.

[shos]

????

you keep saying that but you haven't pointed a single thing to support this.

your questions:
1. it is dependent, yes, of course.
2. umm no, I did not say that, but it is implied, yes.

Because the president is much more crucial than the chancellor. If we have a town president, then odds are (85%) there will be at least one liberal card in her choices, which means at least one liberal card goes on to chancellor, which in turn, has to not-discard it, because if he is town this is his wincon, and if scum, the president is town and knows that if he doesn't he's scum(aka death sentence).

So yes, if you vote no, you are either stupid(by now that kinda seems like the case ) and not following the game, or you think that both lilith and drench as scum.

[shos]

oh and of course there's also the option that you're just scum bullshitting, but I doubt you'll attract so much attention on purpose as scum

[shos]

I should just stop talking to you lol

it's not a 1v1 because we also have drench's liberal result on Lilith. this is different from gamestart.

I'm lost in your shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

[shos]

Ja, and all that.

[shos]

^^^this has been repeated to you, Trow, you seem to have ignored this altogether.

[shos]

A lilith-town-drench-scum acenario is still entirely possible. We will know better later in the game though for statistics regarding drench's 3-fascist draw

[shos]

^^^ this guy is dope

[shos]

@lilith:
So your problem with Aronis (apart from the amount of completely empty fluff), is he doesn't want me to be chancellor based on my tone alone.
Yet you don't want me to be chancellor (and are selective in which questions to answer (despite that outlook, you've answered significantly more than i would expect)) based on my tone alone.
Care to explain?

@Drench:
On one hand we have:
'hey shos, care to explain why you suggested to install the chancellor who just enacted a fascist policy, based on nothing more than the word of the president who just enacted a fascist policy' getting 'lol, no' as an answer (and that not being a surprise, as it perfectly matches his play the entire game thusfar)
On the other we have:
I asked, pretty much everyone, 'can you point me to a single sincere pro-town post this guy made, anywhere in this game' and not a single person being able to do so.

As for why i voted 'nein' (restated for those who fear walls):
I had reasons to assume that government would install a fascist policy, i was proven right: any 'ja'-voter ready to backup their, now proven to be anti-town, vote?
I also have reasons to assume this one will

no, because there wasn't any reason. the game needed to be started.
also, you are the one who needs to do the legwork. you are the one saying that all myposts sound non-sincere, so explain that,don't tell the others to do your work. you have noreason to suspect me.

[shos]

Trow, jsut readyour post - youhave to realize this game is not mafia. things work differently here. anything that happened before the first vote was completely useless; and calling the whole list of councellors ahead is different than INVESTIGATING the next in linewhich at best can happen twice.

[shos]

The nomination only happened in post 82. I dont understand what you dont understand.

Ask me a question?

[shos]

I got two liberal policies, please lilith tell me you discarded a fascist one

[shos]

May I ask why nobody spoke during Legislative seession?

[shos]

No, I was part of the latest government, I cannot be nominated again.

@ lil, yes; and this also supports drench's claim for 3 fascists btw. next set we'll know even better

[shos]

Also please none of JDGA and Trow, lol

[shos]

I can go with Blackberry.

He's way too vocal and seemingly useless to be scum?

[shos]

BB or ceph are good choices. That, or Drench actually.

[shos]

this is what you mean?

Which one would you like me to repeat?
Shall we go top-down: starting with: 'if you actually believe that nothing before P4 is relevant, why did you tell everyone to start talking on P2': you know: the accusation, YOU ARE CURRENTLY RESPONDING TO
or bottom up: starting with: 'why did you actively avoid answering 'why did you suggest we install the chancellor who just enacted a fascist policy as president on the word of the president who just enacted a fascist policy?' multiple times already'

1. because the game wasn't active enough?

2. jesus fuck, ask shorter questions or use punctuations.

I did not avoid anything so i'll try to answer - I suggested...we install...the chancellor...who just enacted a fascist...so you mean jelly - so why I offerred Jelly as president basing my words on Drench's word?

wtf, man. use parenthesis

[shos]

I honestly just don't understand Trow's line of thoughts

I suggest making shorter sentences, for idiots like me, who can't follow your train

maybe then it'll help.

I can go with Blackberry.

He's way too vocal and seemingly useless to be scum?

let me introduce you to blackberry.

what I mean is BB repeatedly directed attention at himself with "investigate me" and ll that shit. I doubt any Fascist would do that, and I can definitely see a liberal doing that

[shos]

Let me return with the second most ignored question in this game thusfar: any 'Ja' voters who would like to provide a motivation?

weren't you the one who defended a nein vote with the astounding defense of "they enacted a facist policy therefore i am right"

or is someone else not the brightest bulb in the room

that was aronis.

Trow did attack people on voting Ja for Drench/Jelly because of the Fascist enaction; so now he should be attacking himself for voting Nein on a Liberal?

[shos]

what fucking question???

[shos]

this is what you mean?

Which one would you like me to repeat?
Shall we go top-down: starting with: 'if you actually believe that nothing before P4 is relevant, why did you tell everyone to start talking on P2': you know: the accusation, YOU ARE CURRENTLY RESPONDING TO
or bottom up: starting with: 'why did you actively avoid answering 'why did you suggest we install the chancellor who just enacted a fascist policy as president on the word of the president who just enacted a fascist policy?' multiple times already'

1. because the game wasn't active enough?

2. jesus fuck, ask shorter questions or use punctuations.

I did not avoid anything so i'll try to answer - I suggested...we install...the chancellor...who just enacted a fascist...so you mean jelly - so why I offerred Jelly as president basing my words on Drench's word?

wtf, man. use parenthesis

[shos]

Ok there was a missing post in there:
Let me spell it out (like it was spelled out before)
Question 1:
You defined the starting-point of the game to be P4,
Why did you want the game to be more active on P2.
according YOUR DEFINITION, pre-game. (fundamentally uesless)

Question 2:
This is what happened.
1. president Drench and chancellor Jelly enact a fascist policy
2. president Drench investigates Lilith (but is currently unavailable for comment)
3. shos states: If Drench gets a 'fascist' on Lilith, we should make Jelly, president (and as a consequence give up all rights to oppose his choice for chancellor)
4. Drench is available for comment (effectively shooting down 3)
5. I ask 'why 3'
6. shos states 'lol not gonna answer'(again)
7. i ask 'why 6'

So Now that i have broken things down in sentences so short, it should be really freakin obvious, you're lying when you claim you can't follow:
WHY 6?

1. as I wrote - because the game wasn't active enough. "come on people, start talking" really means nothing at gamestart. I don't understand why after 300 posts you still cling to that.

2.1. yes
2.2. umm ok
2.3. ???? what? you don't get to pick the president. quote? maybe you misunderstood?
2.4. ok
2.5. so this is your question, finally

I'll ISO myself to see what you're talking about

[shos]

so I ISOed myself and I have no idea what you're talking about.

[shos]

No I honestly have no idea what your'e talking about. Please quote.

[shos]

@trow:
1. re: getting discussion started. I don't think you understand. you are literally pushing a page 2 post that says 'people, start talking' as something serious. it isn't. it really isn't. when I say "start talking" I mean start talking, as in, get the game moving. I don't understand what you don't understand, I don't understand what you find scummy, I really just don't get what the fuck you want.

2. I literally ISOed myself and looked post by post and found nothing; I ctrl+F-ed " no " "lol" "no " " no" and couldn't get it. I asked you like a billion times - PLEASE QUOTE.
and I think I understand now what you're trying to say. Basically you tell me 'why trust drench'? Well, if you don't, then you have nothing to work with, and if you do, then you do. Drench's chance of getting all-fascist draws will be clearer later on. so if you want to suspect him, do that all you want, but for then, assume better.
Also, when I said I wanted to skip klick too that was because I was partially scum reading bothhim and lilith, as you can probably see my ISO. I didn't think who the next president is going to be. that's probably why I didn't have any idea what you're talking about when you talked about Jelly.

[shos]

@trow:
Anytbing? If I cannot talk the game is completely void of content?

[shos]

And as written prevously - do the legwork yourself. Everyone too lazy to make a towncase on someone with seemingly no reason does not maje me sxum. If you see anything scummy, point it out.

[shos]

zzzzzz

This.

Btw. Make this chancellor

Im not joking

[shos]

So

this died.

[shos]

soooo that's 14.5 hours since anyone posted apart from me.

Can we at least have a nomination for ceph?

[shos]

Yes, you should!

[shos]

Are you sure that was gis reasoning? Becaide it sounds ike the all famiiar I-ignore-your-post - you enacted a faacist policy as a statement, rather than an answer

[shos]

Unlikely imo. Either way, not hitler

[shos]

JA!

[shos]

Lil coyld you explain why you strlong townrrad jelly? I dont have anything against him but STRONG?

[shos]

Yes. I find myself agreeing with him too, noreso that he is the only one who cares enoughto actually answer trow's consistent longwalls

[shos]

We should kill aronis

[shos]

Thinking Jelly is fascist because he enacted a fascist policy is practically stupid, because he was the chancellor and not the president; so if he got a liberal/fascist choice and chose fascist, then Drench would tell us....unless he is scum, a case which means we have no reason not to trust the two-fascist cards Jelly claimed to have gotten, because chances are around 3% for that to happen given that I got 2 liberal cards.

point is, unless there's a gameplay-issue here, no reason to scumread jelly without Drench first.

Anywaym we should be getting voting results soon.

[shos]

Yah :/

Trow, why vote yes?

[shos]

Are you suggesting, you think he's hitler, or are you suggesting we take an anti-town action?

In this case, i understand the latter though.
The 'ow, you're not a fan of me mimicking Lilith's motivation for a read?, ok then i'll mimic JDGA's (with no sincerity behind either)'-approach annoys me more than the 'yup ,i don't give a shit' response to accusations of misrepresentations.

You do realize there is another option, being just a fascist?

And I honestly have no idea what you are talking about in the next paragraph

[shos]

And, your ja vote stems ony from a townread on BB, deapite Klick being the president?

[shos]

@424:
1. no it's not. And please learn to write shorter sentences.

2. you don't have to vote ja for jelly you know, even if you vote nein here.
So far, it looks like you're pretty adamant about your views. So why then, do you vote a ja for a null PRESIDENT? you

know

that the president has much more weight than the chancellor. with a liberal president, you need only a single liberal card to get much goods, either locating a fascist in the price of a fascist rule (which allows the president to kill him immediately) or forcing a liberal rule.

explain that to me.

[shos]

I'm pretty sure when shos said "can we kill Aronis," he meant more along the lines of "can we make this a mafia game and lynch him because he is just being useless and anti-town" because that is what I have been thinking since page 3.

also this obviously lol, we are still at least 2 rules away from having an actual shot

[shos]

Got it

[shos]

Ok so whats up with the legislativeeee

[shos]

Mass prodz be plez

[shos]

Well the good stuff in this game is that everything is traceable, so if the mod suddenly flakes we can find another.

[shos]

Yaaaay

[shos]

hmm.

So two more liberal cards give us even more likelihood for Drench not lying. So far we have seen 4 liberal cards out of 9 used...we're likely to end up with a few fascists soon, I guess.

FWTJ, is a president I can support, yes. I think we should give Councellor to Lilith.

[shos]

we had three trios of cards I meant. 4 liberal, 5 fascist, which leaves us with 2-5 balance wise...

[shos]

Intrigue me, why do you specifically think that they are

Hitler

and not just fascists?

[shos]

I thinj Lilith is yhe most trusted choice right now and it also seems that youve all agreed when i suggeates it, so for me tgis is an easy ja.

[shos]

lolwut
I forgot this game
yeah this is probably true lol.

I'm going to vote Ja on this one.

[shos]

Is there anyone qho's going to votw nein?

[shos]

Election tracker is reset every time a vote goes yes. So um. Technically it is possible with 2 goverments onky until likith, but which ones do we want these to be? I dont truat aronis and im still nullish on ceph. Then there are trow and jdga, the ones I trust least.

[shos]

They can, actually, if we decide to never give presidency to X, Y, for example.
we can always choose the best president candidate out of three and utilize this for best results.

[shos]

Their logic is contrary to mine.

[shos]

.......so I'm not sure

nobody seems to be talking


if we were on the right track, fascists would have made some noise

[shos]

That depends what pokicy was enacted previously. If a fascist outcome gives a killshot, fascists are more likely to fight, especially if town wants to kill hitler or a ;

[shos]

Sooooo


Deadline was 4 days ago
I lol

[shos]

ChaosOmega Jan 08, 10:04am Feb 08, 08:20pm 10 days 23 hours

[shos]

So is this a collossal siteflake or wut

[shos]

Yeah I guess

I was lib too
Gonna guess Aronis was fascisy

[shos]

I don't even

lolz

Pretty sure two of the fascists are Aronis and Jdga, but who the hell are the other two?


axxle is one
who else?

[shos]

Jesus, Trow, you need to lrn to let go
being wrong happens
no shame

[shos]

Trow, basically, you're playing this too much like a mafia game. This game has loats of phases, and trying to scumhunt before the first one starts is just not. I mean it doesn't harm ya, but help is 0.

[shos]

*doesnt read*
I dont get what your problem is, townies' reads were almost all correct; none of the universally townread was scum and at least 2 fascist were nit trusted. Only one fascist policy went through. Town played very solidly

[shos]

so who was hitler?

[shos]

Do youbrealize that 'phase 0' meant nothing in total, and that town did manage to work out almost the entire fascist team, with plans as for how to keep townies dominant? I don't see how you think youd have won this

[shos]

Well, nobody trusted neither you with your extreme responses (like now), nor axxleslot nor JDGA. The plan was to only go with trusted members, and we had a lead on policies. What was pushed by scum? nothing you said actually got into people because of your longwalls. I think literally everyone came to just ignore you by now, lol. would never have guessed you were hitler with such high profile, btw

So anyway, explain to me, if you think it had such an impact, what did 'phase 0' mean in the game? (we're talking about the first phase, before the first nomination, yes?)

[shos]

Have you ever played this game irl?
also you seem to be having loads of trouble with this game despite it being abandoned, lol. I assumed you posted so much because you were scum and it was your tactic, but even postgame you do..? I'm not going to read all that, no. if you wish to be crowned winner, go ahead. you should learn to talk without walling

[shos]

??
the part which has nothing in it is the part before the first nomination. where did you get "executive action 6" from? O___o;;;;;;

[shos]

I didn't mean to go through it all, just through some of it. Drench got the benefit of the doubt for the while, but it doesn't matter, because the difference was whether we hang him or not, not whether he is liberal or not. The immediacy of the result is irrelevant, because you go for the long run knowledge, not only the immediate one.

also 5 lines is a wall really is a good mark, btw

[shos]

I answered you - you misunderstood - not the entire deck. but regardless, Drench was not the only player in the game. The phase 0 ended after the first nomination was JA-ed. I never said anything other than that.

[shos]

Im gone banging my head to some brick or something

Amazin