Blitz 25: Super Mario uPick! (Koopa Troop victory!)

[RadiantCowbells]

Super Mario Mafia:

Votecount #4.52:

Aristophanes (1): Fire Starter
Fire Starter (0):
Firebringer (0):
Heat (0):
BlueTrin (0):
Ranger (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Amihan (0):

Not voting: BlueTrin, Ranger, Heat, Frozen Angel, Firebringer, Aristophanes, Amihan,

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-26 23:00:00).

Music:

Diddy Kong Racing: Hot Top Volcano

Notes:

Love my DKR.

[Amihan]

I detected motion on Aristophanes last night. Doesn't mean much but I was hoping to get nothing and prove that he wasn't really planning to bomb...

[Aristophanes]

*le sigh*

If I was RBd how did I move?
This is bullshit.

[Aristophanes]

Unless someone moved on me. Motion detector are you?

[Amihan]

I intended to be dead today, and to have FS dead with me.
I

Power Bombed

him last night.

According to the Bombette wiki, Power Bomb is one of Bombette's signature moves. I really hope I'm not the only one noticing Aristo's usage of "Power Bomb" over the generic "suicide bomb" here. In my experience this kind of unnecessary extraneous role detail usually comes from scum because they feel a need to emphasize their fakeclaim details and/or they're looking back at the fake Role PM a lot. Most town don't bother rechecking and looking at something that minor unless they're looking for an overlooked detail, and I highly doubt Aristo using "Power Bomb" here was some nonchalant recollection.

I mean, there are so many things besides the guilties about Aristo's behavior that are just

completely off

and how you guys (Fluminator in particular because YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN BE BETTER AT READING PEOPLE) somehow thought he was town going into the Night made no sense. Like at this point I'm almost thinking this is some sort of subconscious fallacious thinking about believing the most recent counterclaim (Heat). It tends to be that the secondary claim in a 1 on 1 situation is more likely town but that just doesn't apply to the mess of role interactions here and it's frustrating to think that a player so obviously scum is being taken at face value because of that flaw.

[Amihan]

Yes I used a motion detector action on you last night. My powers are all based on action-detecting, but I still don't think I want to claim the other nights yet because it breaks the pattern.

[Amihan]

*le sigh*

Honestly I have no idea how everyone seems to think the way you've been posting these past few days is natural or in line with town tone in this situation at all.

[Ranger]

So...still thinking Aristophanes is scum.

[Aristophanes]

Yes I used a motion detector action on you last night. My powers are all based on action-detecting, but I still don't think I want to claim the other nights yet because it breaks the pattern.

break what pattern?

What did you see on me N2???

[Aristophanes]

So...still thinking Aristophanes is scum.

Why the fuck?

[Fire Starter]

So...still thinking Aristophanes is scum.

Woo! Don't even care why. You've seen the light and praise be unto thee.

The rest of you need to start seeing what Ranger sees. Aristophanes is guilty.

[Heat]

Ami, please just claim all the other nights now

like why are you withholding the information

[Frozen Angel]

I will do this later after all my other games - promised

[Amihan]

Ami, please just claim all the other nights now

like why are you withholding the information

Because it allows scum to play around my actions, when they're only useful if scum has limited knowledge.

You should claim who you targeted last night.

[Amihan]

Ami, please just claim all the other nights now

like why are you withholding the information

Because it allows scum to play around my actions, when they're only useful if scum has limited knowledge.

You should claim who you targeted last night.

[Frozen Angel]

Amihan This is it.

I can't handle this anymore. claim right now.

[Amihan]

Once again, I'm not going to give up a chance at a potential future guilty just because you're irritated with me. The information I have (about my own role) dictates that I keep it hidden for optimal use, and is not helpful to the problem we have to solve today, the problem being Aristo being scum and yet nobody wanting to lynch him.

The way MYLO works is that either you all believe two of me, Fire Starter, and Frozen Angel are scum due to how long Aristo was at L-2 without a hammer, or you go by Occam's Razor (the correct answer) and believe Aristo is scum by the numbers and his reaction to Fire's role and flavor reveal.

[Heat]

Ami, please just claim all the other nights now

like why are you withholding the information

Because it allows scum to play around my actions, when they're only useful if scum has limited knowledge.

You should claim who you targeted last night.

i will after everyone finishes the massclaim w/actions

[Frozen Angel]

nah I will continue to no vote

tie is the best option with this complicated peace of shit

[Amihan]

Can you not see how coincidental Aristo's responses are, especially the flavor claim in response to the Bob-omb investigation? It's literally akin to a player claiming they're a miller after a cop guilties them. It's unbelievable how many of you (INCLUDING OUR CONFIRMED TOWN) believe it's even likely at all.

Again, either you believe Fire claimed to investigate Aristo as Bob-omb, and Aristo (after posting a few times that he was waiting first) responded by claiming Bombette which just so happens to be a matching fakeclaim to Bob-omb (which experienced mods like RC provide).

Or you somehow believe the flavor cop is scum (I'm Daisy and my powers are impossible to predict from knowing that, so a scum flavor cop has very limited utility as compared to town), and happened to investigate Aristo as Bombette but got the clever idea on his own to claim that Aristo was Bob-omb. The way he was trying to draw more information out of Aristo before claiming also makes no sense in this scenario.

[Heat]

cool, you flavour claimed
one step at a time

now please claim your actions

[Amihan]

Waaaait, he said Bob-omb?

I should read better.

That is a lie and he is scum. Both are and are trying a quick wagon.

Fucking...
My bad.
Thanks for pointing that out FA.

I'll give mister Firestarter here a chance to tell the truth, even though he is lying fucking scum.

How skeevy!

you have 10 seconds!

Okay, gimme a sec, on mobile.

I wanted FS to retry first.

But gimme a sec.

Confirm you want this claim and I'll give it, but I'd rather hear from FS again first.

or asking mod a fake claim o.O

I'd have done that a while ago if I was gonna.

Like these are all his posts in between Fire's guilty and his "real claim".

How is this initial reaction to a guilty not coming from scum who knows Fire is telling the truth and town. If you're town and someone claims a cop guilty on you, your immediate reaction isn't "I'll give him a second chance", it's "you're lying confirmed scum to me, now die". His reaction here is a convoluted mix of the two and delaying it like he can't decide how exactly town would react here. He doesn't even vote Fire here.

[Amihan]

I'll give mister Firestarter here a chance to tell the truth, even though he is lying fucking scum.

How skeevy!

HOW ARE YOU ALL BELIEVING THIS.

[Heat]

now please claim your actions

[Amihan]

cool, you flavour claimed
one step at a time

now please claim your actions

Once again, I'm not going to give up a chance at a potential future guilty just because you're irritated with me. The information I have (about my own role) dictates that I keep it hidden for optimal use, and is not helpful to the problem we have to solve today, the problem being Aristo being scum and yet nobody wanting to lynch him.