Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[YT2980]

Why couldn't that be a scum role?

Fixed.

[beeboy]

Why would scum ever have that role?

Why would an actionless town have a role that gives information that in many cases can help scum more than town?

[YT2980]

I guess it makes sense that we had a 2-S gladiator now. I'd bet money at least 2 scum were on that wagon.

[SirCakez]

I was also told Maxous was a Vault Hunter last night. Probably means he is a Friendly Neighbor

[T S O]

I know that, I was being hyperbolic. The point stands that scum would never be given that role because it's so utterly useless for them.

As well as that, beeboy's plan of making her give us the information by tricking her makes no sense at all because she could just lie with zero repercussions. I think beeboy has shown that thought processes like these aren't alignment indicative for him, though, so I still don't really have any idea on what to think of him.

[YT2980]

I was also told Maxous was a Vault Hunter last night. Probably means he is a Friendly Neighbor

Good! We're both confident he's town!

[SirCakez]

That role wouldn't be entirely useless for scum, but it definitely wouldn't be very helpful. More likely then not it's a fakeclaim.

[T S O]

To anyone who is arguing that scum actually would have that role - please look at the set-up. There's an SK, 2 scum factions, and a ton of investigatives. Giving scum that role would be like laughing in their faces while you defecated on their foreheads.

[beeboy]

I know that, I was being hyperbolic. The point stands that scum would never be given that role because it's so utterly useless for them.

I literally explained how the information given can help scum more than town so it would make no sense for a towny with no other actions to be given that role. Why doesn't it make sense for a scum team to have a role that helps them plan there night actions?

[T S O]

Because it doesn't help them plan their night actions whatsoever?

[SirCakez]

Why couldn't there be three scum factions?
Also yeah I agree Elyse is off this game. She is normally much more aggressive as town from what I've seen of her.

[beeboy]

To anyone who is arguing that scum actually would have that role - please look at the set-up. There's an SK, 2 scum factions, and a ton of investigatives. Giving scum that role would be like laughing in their faces while you defecated on their foreheads.

It is still useful for scum.
Look at aAfter scum can have bad roles.

[Suzune]

Because it doesn't help them plan their night actions whatsoever?

Personally i would want that role as serial killer. It was very helpful last Skull game I was in when I was the serial killer and the cop. So it might help some people plan their actions

[T S O]

There's a difference. Aafter was negative utility. This role is just plain useless.

[Almost50]

I've just came in and was already 2 pages behind
I started reading in order as per usual and I came across this:

i'm not claiming, live with the burden of it. it isn't like anyone gives even the slightest fuck anyway.

Well, news flash for you Nicole Mimi: I truly DO think outside the box. With an "odd nights commuter" flipping I'm now inclined to challenge your role claim. You (or your faction, since this is very much looking like multi-ball now) may have tried to investigate Venmar on N1 and you returned no result, or maybe got told he was nowhere to be found or whatever. My point is you could've deduced he was a commuter without the need of that claimed tailored role.

But your quoted statement is the last nail in your coffin. I don't buy the "I'm town but I'm not telling you bc I'm mad at you" play. If I have info I would most certainly reveal it to the town even if they've already decided to lynch me, simply bc my win-con does not state I should make it to the end of the game, but says when all threats to town are eliminated. It doesn't matter -for a town aligned player- if they get lynched just as long as the town wins, bc they'd win whether dead or a live.

VOTE: Nicole Mimi

P-edit: Sorry, guys. I think I've talked too much. I'm just a little furious over this irritating statement.

[T S O]

I give up. I'm going to bed. Think what you want.

[SirCakez]

My scum pile right now is {Nicole, Beeboy, Pops, Almost, Elyse, Nero}. Suzune is iffy for me but not a solid scumread.
If we are dealing with three scum-aligned kills, then that begs the question of why scum would target Aafter for a scum kill. He did next to nothing in the thread and definitely wasn't a threat to anyone at day.

[YT2980]

Here's how a data scanner could be useful for scum. Say somebody crumbs their roleclaim, and all the data has to do with roles and data pertaining to them. It gives scum an easier road map perhaps for their kills. How is that NOT beneficial?

[beeboy]

There's a difference. Aafter was negative utility. This role is just plain useless.

It isn't though what if they got info like, "there is a vig in this game", "no docs are in this setup" or something like that?
Literally the only setup related results can be roles so it would be bound to reveal something.
It is a pointless town role and you know it and are just trying to make me look bad so I can't wagon you tomorrow it is literally all you are doing this day phase.

[Nero Cain]

there's like no reason to end the day yet. I'm betting that most of the votes on Mimi are scum wanting town cred for being on Mmi early.

[Suzune]

It might suggest a three person scum team if there is a negative utility scum player because that provides balance.

p-edit @SirCakez, I wonder if he was a cover kill by the SK? You are correct that Aafter did not do much. This might have been to not case early suspicion.

[YT2980]

Nobody hammer UNTIL everybody has chipped in this day phase. If you do, I'm taking that as a scum claim.

[Almost50]

Peregrine should really have used his LR last night to guarantee an investigation for Rob. I have no idea why he didn't.

Wouldn't that have resulted on Rob's action as well being redirected to Peregrine???

[SirCakez]

Perhaps the SK killed Aafter then Peregrine. If so, going for low-profile targets implies someone who is not confident in themselves to make kills on high-profile players. I could see this being Beeboy, Almost or Pops (no offense).
Also UNVOTE: since that was L-1 pretty sure

[Suzune]

Peregrine should really have used his LR last night to guarantee an investigation for Rob. I have no idea why he didn't.

Wouldn't that have resulted on Rob's action as well being redirected to Peregrine???

I think he is implying that is the point. As a lightning rod you want to clear townies with their action. Plus the lightning rod was female meaning it could get pisskop's protection. Therefore, the result from rob would confirm him as either townie or scum based on how he returned the result.