SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Yosarian2]

The only possible problem with the "Klingon=scum" theory is that, assuming the scum is the one making the FIRE votes, it would be a little weird if Klingon has control of both the FIRE vote and the BIT vote.

Still, there aren't many suspects left, so we can test her to make sure.

Guessing the setup is how you lose games.

Hey, guessing the setup is also how I figured out Sky and Pip were both town back on day 1 and then stopped you guys from lynching either of them for the whole rest of the game. Don't knock it.

[Yosarian2]

Didn't we also figure out the the fire spreads by using a non killing action on someone with fire already anyway?

It seems like it, but that's not the only way it spreads. Albert got light on fire day 1, and then I got lit on fire day 2 even though I never targeted him with anything. There's someone setting fires as well.

[Sensei]

Would the thing you used to block all night kills that night be considered targeting ABR?

[Sensei]

Probably not, actually. If it's a "global effect."

[Yosarian2]

Would the thing you used to block all night kills that night be considered targeting ABR?

No. All my rings are global abilities, I can make them either affect everyone or affect everyone in the adventuring party. They don't target anyone.

Also, I didn't get a ring until the end of the first night, and I didn't use it until night 2. I was on fire before that happened.

[Drunken Pirates]

Seriously? You do remember that I've been trying to figure out which one of the people who tried to quicklynch ABR over Gale was scum since like day 3, right? I suspected you, and I suspected Klingon,

but Shiro was always the third major option there.

I did think she looked more town then either you or Klingon at the time, but she was on the list. And then the next day, i explained to you in great detail exactlaly why ABR's case on R&L was perfectly reasonable and sound.

"No thought progression"? Are you even reading any of my posts this game, Mollie?

yeah I just iso-ed you and I can't find it. can you help me out here?

and this:

And then the next day, i explained to you in great detail exactlaly why ABR's case on R&L was perfectly reasonable and sound.

I am old and feeble minded so you will definitely have to point to this. cos what i saw was a very shitty made-up case that only exists in the world of unicorns and dragons and flying spaghetti monsters.

There wasn't an extra fire vote yesterday, which bought the town a whole day before we started getting rapid-fire autolynches leading to a rapid town loss from the fire and hatred. That's a huge deal.

it didn't buy a day when we already had some.

Luckily I've delayed that risk a lot more now by healing us all of the hatred, but I didn't know that would become an option.

okay.

I think you are full of it.

[Sensei]

Guys. It's okay. Klingon is the last scum.
Unless you can explain the town motivation for:
Being told to not out flum's commute - to attempt and clear him as town if CC stumps him.
But instead of doing that - deciding to in fact out flum's commute and going along with yosarians idea to stop all night actions.
While not even having any remnants of a scumread on flum - AND ALSO having no reason to believe the commute was compromised in the first place because the only people left alive from that party who would know were me (confirmed town) her and flum himself.

Worst case scenario is that the night goes according to plan and the scumkill gets blocked and flum is left alive the next day with us wondering if scum were in on the knowledge of the commute happening. But that's still better and worth the risk of the scumkill going through while flum dodges a stump and clearing him as town.
There's no way Klingon was unaware of this plan.

Also the drixx kill.

The last scum is within Kling/Yos/ABR for sure. The latter two have been far more town by play imo.

Hopefully it's spelled out well enough this time so you can appreciate how telling it actually is.

[Sensei]

^This is all giving klingon the benefit of the doubt and not just assuming she's completely daft.

[Sensei]

If that's the case I'd probably guess Yos.

[Sensei]

Also, would there be a way to test if someone has access to dodge drain that anyone can think of?

[Yosarian2]

Seriously? You do remember that I've been trying to figure out which one of the people who tried to quicklynch ABR over Gale was scum since like day 3, right? I suspected you, and I suspected Klingon,

but Shiro was always the third major option there.

I did think she looked more town then either you or Klingon at the time, but she was on the list. And then the next day, i explained to you in great detail exactlaly why ABR's case on R&L was perfectly reasonable and sound.

"No thought progression"? Are you even reading any of my posts this game, Mollie?

yeah I just iso-ed you and I can't find it. can you help me out here?

and this:

And then the next day, i explained to you in great detail exactlaly why ABR's case on R&L was perfectly reasonable and sound.

I am old and feeble minded so you will definitely have to point to this. cos what i saw was a very shitty made-up case that only exists in the world of unicorns and dragons and flying spaghetti monsters.

Seriously? I spent like 5 posts talking to you about this.

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that...is not a case.

see abr LIED several times made horrible pushes, rolefished like a mofo w/o coming clean about his own role while simultaneously demanding a claim from every1 in the game. the push on rylai is HORRIBLE and looks desperate and you keep stating that abr's childish temper tantrums are somehow town is something that nobody else in this game can possibly understand.

Sure. Honestly, though, none of that matters much. What matters is that we came within a hair of a speedlynch being pushed through on a townie right when a scum was about to be lynched. It seems very, very likely that scum were pushing the ABR wagon yesterday. Not all scum, but some, I'd bet.

If you're town, then the odds of other people pushing that wagon being scum go up even more. And the timing of R&L's vote was especally bad.

Doesn't prove R&L is scum, but it's a perfectly reasonably reason to suspect them. And the way she's reacting to pressure isn't great either.

Overall we have way too much drama in this thread. R&L, people have the right to suspect you; this is a mafia game, that's the whole point. Don't take it personally.

3 - I hated the way she voted me last day over gale!

3 - Fuck you

is there anymore questions?!

~Rylai

Uh. You voted someone who was obvtown, very nearly quicklynchinh him, in what could easily be read as an attempt to save obvscum.

Do you really not understand why a reasonable person would look at that and be suspicious you are scum with Gale?.

This is not helping you. At least admit that you screwed up, understand that it looks scummy, and move on. Lashing out irrationally like this just makes you look bad.

@ yoyo - are you going to answer my question? 5th time I am asking you!

What is the question, exactally?

you have been clearing town left and right and shld have a pretty good poe list right about now.

who is scum?

I answered that question like 10 pages ago. At the time, I was thinking CC and Klingon were likely.

Now, we know CC is anti-town but may or may not be team scum, so we lynch him and see what kind of scum he flips as and then recalibarate.

I still think Klingon is likely scum; SOMEONE on that Albert wagon yesterday has to be. Beyond that, I donno.

hindu he has. he isn't lynching rylai cos he thinks she is scum if he is town but because he doesn't like her.

That's really not fair. ABR was townreading and defending and working with R&L for most of the game. When he did start to suspect them he had decent reasons for it.

By the way I am going to laugh so hard if you eventually flip flying ninja shark

hindu he has. he isn't lynching rylai cos he thinks she is scum if he is town but because he doesn't like her.

That's really not fair. ABR was townreading and defending and working with R&L for most of the game. When he did start to suspect them he had decent reasons for it.

By the way I am going to laugh so hard if you eventually flip flying ninja shark

I WANT TO BE A FLYING ROLEBLOCKING HATED NINJA SHARK DAMMIT

what were those reasons yoyo? cos we aren't privy to what is going on ad I keep asking for some1 to explain it to me and no1 will.

it feels like a deliberate move to drive town into pathy cos I am pretty sure we are the only 1s who give a damn right now who is not in your party thread.

He explained in thread. The end of day counterwagon on him they pushed that almost saved a scum from being lynched, meta that he's seen them act like this as scum before, and skepticism about the mechanics of their claimed role. Overall reasonable points for the most part.

Of course, he spead them out and mixed in a ton of short posts demanding they die and whatnot, but I tune those out. He always does that. Hell he did it to me a few pages ago and he's the guy who invited me to join this game in the first place.

[Yosarian2]

Like, you just forgot all of that? That wasn't even all of it either.

[Fluminator]

Wtf Klingon

[Fluminator]

All three are all so scummy. I still think we should double lynch so we can get through them faster.

[Fluminator]

One thing I don't get, why didn't scum kill you Sensei instead of Drixx? There had to be a motive for killing Drixx first.

[Drunken Pirates]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

[Sensei]

Not any motive I can think of. It's just a blatantly suboptimal kill.
Points to Klingon again.

[Sensei]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

Which is why we're waiting for klingon to show up and remove it.
If she doesn't she's as good as confirmed scum.
Keep up.

[Drunken Pirates]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

Which is why we're waiting for klingon to show up and remove it.
If she doesn't she's as good as confirmed scum.
Keep up.

No. If Klingon removes her shield, ABR and Yos can quick lynch her.

[Fluminator]

Klingon has sparked twice and could have three votes right now. Lol

[Sensei]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

Which is why we're waiting for klingon to show up and remove it.
If she doesn't she's as good as confirmed scum.
Keep up.

No. If Klingon removes her shield, ABR and Yos can quick lynch her.

They could literally quicklynch anybody else.

[Fluminator]

ABR and Yos together have the power to quicklynched anyone. Cerb for example takes three votes to lynch, so only one needs a double vote.

[Drunken Pirates]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

Which is why we're waiting for klingon to show up and remove it.
If she doesn't she's as good as confirmed scum.
Keep up.

No. If Klingon removes her shield, ABR and Yos can quick lynch her.

They could literally quicklynch anybody else.

No they cannot.

You don't have Fire. They have 3 votes. Same with us.
ABR and yoyo will not quicklynch themselves. Lowkey has vote shield.

[Drunken Pirates]

They could quicklynch cuke ppl which is all the more reason to stop ABR.

[Fluminator]

Titus, you're familiar with Klingon right? How good at this game is she? If she was scum, do you think she would have used the anonymous vote in a way that furthers the scum agenda?