SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[The Cool Cucumbers]

DP: Anyone who refuses to 1) Use their hide rune. 2) Prove they've used it by getting voted 1x, 3)vote to break it, and 4) get voted to prove that it's no longer active, is making a scum claim. Period.

-Cerb

Why the hell should I use it today? So you can kill me tonight?

It's easy to prove i haven't and won't use it.

I'm already roleblocked. First thing ABR did today. I can't do anything tonight.

The reason why you should use it is because there are *4* suspects in this game, and without the hide rune fucking things up, we can remove or clear all 4 of them during the course of this day/night, so when the dust settles tomorrow morning, only town remain alive.

If we clear/remove all the suspects but us, we won't even get to a night phase, because barring BP scum who survives being impaled, town will win with today's lynch. If you do somehow get to a night phase because I'm lying, the party can tag team use their heaven/hell kill on me, and remove me.

Like I said, if you guys don't have your hide shit available, you can remove or test all non-conftown this set of phases.

What part of this plan is flawed? Why WOULDN'T town agree to it? I know why scum wouldn't, but knowing that town has a double voter MC who won't die tonight...why wouldn't town do it?

-Cerb

pedit: utilizing the hide rune to force scum to skip a nk or die is interesting, but...why can't scum just no kill tonight and force us to have the same options tomorrow, except it's that much easier to force through a quick hammer? I think i need to think about which slot would be the one we'd be doing the hide thing with?

[Sensei]

I'd say Yos.
Difference is we get an extra impale and FORCE them to use up their hide runes.
I forgot you can't kill tonight, though.

[Yosarian2]

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What part of this plan is flawed? Why WOULDN'T town agree to it? I know why scum wouldn't, but knowing that town has a double voter MC who won't die tonight...why wouldn't town do it?

Because I'm still worried you might actually be a SK or something and don't want to give up nightkill protection. It seems like a dangerous waste of resources that could save the town later in the game if things go badly. And the fact you're pushing it when there is no good reason for it makes me even more uncomfortable.

[Sensei]

I say Yos because if he's town he's the most valuable rolewise.
If ABR lets me die tonight power lynch that fast and hard. Assuming we don't lynch him today.

[Yosarian2]

I mean if people really want me to use up the hide rune i will, but i don't like it.

[Sensei]

So new plan.
Impale kling.
Lynch ABR.
Yos hides while I shoot him.
If I die yos is confirmed town. If no kill impale yos.
If the games not over we end CC.

[Sensei]

Then go from there I guess?

[Yosarian2]

Sounds good.

And if Klingon hides and refuses to let us impale her, then impale me, no-lynch, vig Klingon tonight

[Sensei]

Global roleblock could screw with that, though.
I dunno.
Relying on the night phase already fucked us once.

[Sensei]

I'm not expecting klingon as scum to have made it this far and to piss it away by refusal to cooperate with town.

[Sensei]

I'm also trying to figure out a way to win if all three of you guys are town somehow.
Which is why I think using the hide runes to pseodo clear you - while taking a few more phases - gives us much more breathing room.

[Drunken Pirates]

Nobody is "tag teaming" anything. I have no idea what you're talking about. And I am the one who is saying we shouldn't rush the day. The only person who seemed to want to quicklynch was you.

you 2 have been tag teaming all fucking game and you are the door to door salesman on why every1 else shld buy abr's bullshit and eat shit and die.

the fuck you 2 have not been tag teaming and making the game unenjoyable and unplayable

[The Cool Cucumbers]

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What part of this plan is flawed? Why WOULDN'T town agree to it? I know why scum wouldn't, but knowing that town has a double voter MC who won't die tonight...why wouldn't town do it?

Because I'm still worried you might actually be a SK or something and don't want to give up nightkill protection. It seems like a dangerous waste of resources that could save the town later in the game if things go badly. And the fact you're pushing it when there is no good reason for it makes me even more uncomfortable.

Okay, let me spell this out for you.

Sensei is town because of shiro's flip and the circumstances of his flavor claim. Even if he had been able to determine which two names emelia might know, he still would have had to pick the right one to flavor claim and risk the counter claim. Other than that, his play makes him town, etc, it's just unimaginable that he isn't town.

DP is mod confirmed town.

Lowkey is town, or bulletproof scum, or a traitor, but that would require that two scum remain alive, since we keep seeing NK's. I think the chances of all of those are small enough to firmly put him down as town as well.

That leaves us with Klingon, ABR, Yosarian, and ourselves.

You've already decided that we're not part of groupscum, so if you want to actually remove scum, you aim within Klingon/ABR/Yosarian.

Rosario Impale one, preferably Klingon because she hasn't threatened some reaction ability that will result in the death of Sensei if he uses Impale on him, and he hasn't been asking to be impaled, like Yosarian.

Lynch Yosarian+ABR.

If the game is not over.

Super strongman kill US, we who are roleblocked and can do nothing to prevent this from happening.

Tomorrow morning, Sensei+DP+Lowkey are alive+KC if Impale doesn't kill her and prevent the rest of that sequence from playing out.

Alternatively.

Rosario Impale KC
Lynch ABR
Super strongman kill Yosarian.
If the game is not over.
Slide us at the start of the day so we can't vote, and lynch us.

See the problem with you guys having hide as an option? You fuck up the guaranteed only conftown living end game.

-Cerb

Pedit: Relying on the night phase is indeed pretty shitty, unless the only potential risk left alive and unconfirmed is already fucking roleblocked and can't do shit.

[Sensei]

So we need to square yos away first, that way his merchant ring can't mess with stuff again.
So maybe an impale on him wouldn't be the worst idea.

[Drunken Pirates]

I say Yos because if he's town he's the most valuable rolewise.
If ABR lets me die tonight power lynch that fast and hard. Assuming we don't lynch him today.

do you srsly still think abr doc holy cow

[Sensei]

If he's town he's probably a doc.
I'm doing that thing where I weigh out all possible scenarios and see which one is the better path to victory for town.

[Drunken Pirates]

So new plan.
Impale kling.
Lynch ABR.
Yos hides while I shoot him.
If I die yos is confirmed town. If no kill impale yos.
If the games not over we end CC.

YASSSSS

[Sensei]

Yes I like that plan too, but if yos is scum he can block my kill with the merchant ring and I'm assuming submit a scum kill.
I'm even more wary after he seemed to agree with instantly.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

I say Yos because if he's town he's the most valuable rolewise.
If ABR lets me die tonight power lynch that fast and hard. Assuming we don't lynch him today.

do you srsly still think abr doc holy cow

Lol yeah. I don't believe there is any sequence of plans that actually let's ABR live through today, honestly. The simple fact that he isn't impaleable without losing town means he has to be lynched. I mean, maybe he could be the NK in place of Yosarian, but that would require you confirming that your super strongman power will prevent any reactionary abilities from going off as well, otherwise you'll kill him, and end up dead too.

-Cerb

[Fluminator]

Triple lynch could actually work with all the double voters lol.

[Fluminator]

I would feel bad lynching Cerb, but maybe we can rule it as a moral victory for him if he's telling the truth. That is, we pretend he wins.

[Yosarian2]

So we need to square yos away first, that way his merchant ring can't mess with stuff again.
So maybe an impale on him wouldn't be the worst idea.

My merchant ring was a one-shot.

But yeah, you can impale me.

Tell you what. Impale me and vote me at the exact same time. Then the next vote count will prove I was not hiding when you impaled me.

[Sensei]

And triple lynch

does

have a nice ring to it.

[The Cool Cucumbers]

And yes, btw, the plan you laid out is good too. It's just subject to other things stopping it.

-Cerb

@Varsoon: If multiple members of an adventuring party target an ability on the same individual, and a global roleblock occurs, AND the individual is commuted, will those abilities still resolve successfully targeting the commuted individual?

[Sensei]

Tell you what. Impale me and vote me at the exact same time. Then the next vote count will prove I was not hiding when you impaled me.

Meh. I think of the three you're most likely to be bulletproof just based on your play today.
I think impaling you is a last resort.
ABR went fucking nuts. And I've given my thoughts on klingon. I think they're much better bets.