Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Suzune]

I think she's more on the slow side of things.

You think I'm slow. Pisskop thought I was a manipulator of social dynamics. I just can not lock in my persona this game.

Either way, I have been scum reading you from the start.

[YT2980]

Nero, are you afraid to claim because you'll look scummy?

Mass claim only helps town right now to be frank.

[Nero Cain]

I mean honestly? She's been tunneling me most of the game and her only good vote has been on Almost and she hasn't really been pushing hard on anyone so sure I could see some possible scum motivation there but I mean...non of you fucks are pro-town to me so I have to sort through and find the shortest short straw.

Also do you think Titus is a good scumhunter?

[YT2980]

I'm not sure. He did have aafter as town I remember... He must be my partner since I remember that, eh?

[Nero Cain]

Either way, I have been scum reading you from the start.

And you've been wrong from the start so...

[Elyse]

@Almost

Are you a tracker?

[YT2980]

Let's be real. Scum will want to kill me regardless of my alignment since I can't physically be lynched. Rob you'll probably get your wish this next night phase.

[Suzune]

I'm not sure. He did have aafter as town I remember... He must be my partner since I remember that, eh?

This kind of talking is scummy. It is quite arrogant and just begs the counter punch.

[Suzune]

Either way, I have been scum reading you from the start.

And you've been wrong from the start so...

Time will tell then. Will it not?

[YT2980]

Everything I say is scummy.

[Suzune]

While some baiting and aggression is good. It reads as a challenge. I have been drinking so that effects how I read it. I read it even more as a challenge. That prove me wrong mentality. That reads as more scummy then it does as town. Just where I am coming from.

[YT2980]

OK. I'm naturally aggressive, but I'll try to control it.

[Suzune]

OK. I'm naturally aggressive, but I'll try to control it.

Just do not be surprised when my patience runs out and I punch back.

[YT2980]

I see Peregrine was particularly adept at steering away from aggression, aside from the sniping directed towards TSO earlier in the game.

[Almost50]

Sounds like an SK role more than a scum role, but yeah, definitely anti-town. If it is town, it's strongly negative utility both because it's likely town would take two goes at lynching it upon a claim. It's equivalent to two near-guaranteed mislynches, and that doesn't really balance in any setup (or at least isn't desirable).

However, it is much much harder for town to deal with it (if YT is scum) given that the consensus is we have no Vig. Even if we did, there's no guarantee that they would not have been killed early in the game, so that would've left us stuck with an unlynchable scum.

[Elyse]

Sounds like an SK role more than a scum role, but yeah, definitely anti-town. If it is town, it's strongly negative utility both because it's likely town would take two goes at lynching it upon a claim. It's equivalent to two near-guaranteed mislynches, and that doesn't really balance in any setup (or at least isn't desirable).

However, it is much much harder for town to deal with it (if YT is scum) given that the consensus is we have no Vig. Even if we did, there's no guarantee that they would not have been killed early in the game, so that would've left us stuck with an unlynchable scum.

This is a good point

[Suzune]

Very true. But it sounds kind of like when you give an SK, one shot or two shot bullet proof. In a game of this size the sk needs something to give them more of a fighting chance. So it might just be our bad playing that could create such a situation.

[YT2980]

Rob, once I flip town, who is then incriminated in your book? Elyse, Nero, or TSO?

[YT2980]

I'm certain at least one of those of those three is scum.

[YT2980]

*one of those

[Almost50]

@Almost

Are you a tracker?

NO. And if we don't mass claim then I suggest you hi5 me tonight and if I'm still alive by the next day I could tell you everything in details.

[Rob14]

How on earth are you getting "low power" from the flips we have?

flipped:
Cop
Doc
Two Bodyguards
Lightning Rod
Gladiator

There are only two high power roles here. The Gladiator and the Lightning rod. The other four are pretty standard.

A full cop with no limitations is high power. It's become rare without specific things to counter it (which makes Elyse's miller claim believable, I suppose) and some type of modifier to prevent the massive accumulation of guilties.

But still, "normal power" =/= "low power". Three protective roles, an informative role with zero limitations, a lightning rod, and a gladiator is already at "normal" power for a large theme, imo, and that's just in 12/24 flips! Add to that the other claims and you've got something that I would consider a mid to high powered role madness. The idea that it's low power is kinda weird. It suggests he knows something about the remaining 12 flips that we don't.

[Suzune]

I understand what you mean then. Personally I think we have too much powers in some areas and that makes me leerly of some of the claims.

[Rob14]

@YT, I'm not getting into the "once I flip town" game with one of my scum-reads, but I can say I'd like both Nero and TSO lynched. TSO probably won't be crosskilled, so he's a priority. Nero could be a target, feasibly.

[Nero Cain]

ah lets not forget Max's claim of FN.