Blitz 25: Super Mario uPick! (Koopa Troop victory!)

[Amihan]

Hello all... first game I'm starting from scratch. Let's see how this goes:

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Amihan]

You're all very silly. Ha ha ha.

Going to wait for a few more posts...

[Amihan]

Okay guys let's lynch the mod. For real, since it's a proven possibility.

[Amihan]

Maybe this can end in a win for everyone except the mod?

[Amihan]

On my home site we lynched the mod and it caused them to expose a random player. I know most games here aren't like that but this one seems sillier than most, and the mod counted my vote unlike the norm so I think there's a fair chance going for it could help no matter what.

[Amihan]

Cool, that's not gonna happen
Thoughts on your wagon?

There's no possible negatives from lynching the mod as far as I can tell.

Post review:

Mod, can you tell us what would happen if we successfully lynched "RadiantCowbells"?

[Amihan]

If it's not counted as a no lynch, we should at the very least try it. If nothing happens then you all can laugh at me, but until then just work with me here.

[Amihan]

can you at least answer my question?

Cool, that's not gonna happen
Thoughts on your wagon?

I think it's really opportunistic when if I were actually scum this would be the single dumbest thing to do. I've seen how this site treats people who try to think out of the box; as scum blending in is always your best option.

[Amihan]

RadiantCowbells would be very unhappy if he got lynched because he's been obviously mushroom kingdom aligned this entire game.

Would lynching "RadiantCowbells" count as a no lynch and end the day?

[Amihan]

You are making yourself the single most lynch able person I've seen in a long time.

Like, wow...

Why "lynchable" over "scummy"?

What is your objective here in voting me, and presumably wanting to lynch me?

[Amihan]

I've been entirely serious this entire game, but it seems that because I'm neither 1, playing within the parameters you're comfortable with, or 2, trying and failing to be funny (see: Firebringer), that this wagon is happening.

But that's fine. If that's how you all want to play I'd rather leave sooner than later anyway.

[Amihan]

RadiantCowbells would be very unhappy if he got lynched because he's been obviously mushroom kingdom aligned this entire game.

Would lynching "RadiantCowbells" count as a no lynch and end the day?

no.

Okay, thank you.

I'm going to say it again:

please at least humor me here and lynch the mod.

With how many people are here it shouldn't take more than an hour.

If nothing happens, you can laugh at me and go back to voting me - preferably someone else, but I'm going to accept that it might be me.

If the mod releases some kind of help or power, I promise not to say "I told you so".

[Amihan]

we aren't going to lynch the mod. please drop the topic.

And why not? Because you're all too lazy to do something that, by mod proof, can't hurt to at least try?

If that is the case then I have to wonder why you would even join a "Blitz Game".

[Amihan]

I'd lean towards something bad happening because of it.

Could you provide a reasonable example?

Theoretically, the mod's function is to hold information. The way the logic played out in my past experience was that lynching the mod would weaken that and release some information. Mind you, this wasn't our reasoning in lynching him (we did so because "lol why not"), but that was the mod's logic in choosing

before the game started

to have a player exposed if that were to happen.

[Amihan]

The point is, we're in a blitz game, and "lynching the mod" is not going to have an effect, and will waste what precious time we have.

We have 3 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes.

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

5 players have posted in the last 25 minutes. Xtoxm posted an hour ago.

There is nothing to be lost here. I strongly, strongly encourage that you all just trust me here.

[Amihan]

My role.

[Amihan]

My role.

Sorry?

Please vote RadiantCowbells.

[Amihan]

My role.

Sorry?

Please vote RadiantCowbells.

I understand you not wanting to give any information away but if you're reading into the flavor of your role please don't.

What do you mean?

[Amihan]

I want to hear if ami has some kind of evidence related to her role (which I think she hinted at) leading her to believe this.

I do.

[Amihan]

After a quick Google search... he literally just took the words right off of a wiki page......

UNVOTE:

Well then. Sorry I've been so useless here.

At least this whole ordeal has provided for some decent reaction and stance analysis - knowing that Frozen Angel wasn't actually in the same boat as me. If she were scum knowing me to be a distracting town player and potential town lynch, I definitely could see her fake-sounding mod lynch queries on the last page as a form of white-knighting me. As town, I don't think she would post all of that while still voting me either. It makes more sense for scum to stay on the easy wagon while faking consideration of what everyone else thought was insane.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

[Amihan]

I don't like Xtoxm's contribution this game. As a whole it seems like he's just content to go with the general consensus of where people are willing to look for scum. He first votes Lilith agreeing with others' votes. I get wagoned for thinking out of the box, he agrees that I'm scummy but refrains from voting me (as scum, avoiding a quickwagon on town is a good move) and disappears while the argument escalates. Then Heat is pressured, and he again suddenly has an opinion that reflects the norm on the wagon gaining the most traction.

VOTE: Xtoxm

I still think FA is scummy for pretending to consider whether my "lynch the mod" idea could hold merit. Originally I thought she might have been seeing the same thing as was in my role, but now in hindsight it feels really out of place and fake.

[Amihan]

I can't post today but will tomorrow.

[Amihan]

Just got back, and I see the claim.

Town masons and town lynchproof though?... need to think.

[Amihan]

Night falls in 0 days, 1 hour, 38 minutes.

URGENT. Just saw, I thought we had like 4 hours left.

I really really don't want a no lynch, but I think we can swing an Xtoxm lynch. My original reasons still stand as the whole game it's like he's just been going with the flow, popping in and out without becoming a distinct personality or committing any significant opinions.

[Amihan]

Ranger (1): Firebringer
Xtoxm (1): Amihan
Fire Starter (0):
Firebringer (0):
BlueTrin (0):

I would lynch any of these, but the problem is I've been so busy the past two days that I have no idea where the support is.

Ranger is almost as preferable as Xtoxm; I hated Jackal's play and thought Ranger's read on me was too... easy. As in it felt less like an actual read and more like pigeonholing my tier placement for future use.

[Amihan]

VOTE: Ranger

Yeah I will consolidate. An hour and a half left, my above quote isn't changing time for some reason.

[Amihan]

Can you two make up and vote Ranger? This is probably the best chance we have at hitting scum. Scumreading both players in the same slot is a good sign.

[Amihan]

Jackal I see the same things I saw in Xtoxm: wagoning with the flow, and it didn't look like he really believed I was scum.

Wow, why is this not lynched yet?

VOTE: Amihan

Even if town, which I don't think is likely, needs to be gone asap.

Oh and for the record I believe this is

L-1

I mean look at that.

[Amihan]

I just talked about Ranger - her reads do not feel genuine but rather like she arranged them at will. I also don't think it's that likely she read the whole game and kept her read on me constantly top scum throughout. The only thing to mildly alter that scumread wasn't even based on my play (which changed significantly when I discovered my error) but based on others voting me.

[Amihan]

Ok.

VOTE: BlueTrin

Might still be open to lynching Ranger, but this is the direction I want to go in today.

[Amihan]

Why do you think it is?

[Amihan]

I think we should limit our focuses today to people who were voting the Mason up to L-1. Not because that's scummy, but because it'll result in a lower chance of wagoning another Mason in case scum can't tell already who they are.

[Amihan]

That is,

L-1 Lilith2013 (5): Heat, BlueTrin, Fire Starter, Xtoxm, Frozen Angel

[Amihan]

The fact that most of these have plausible scumcases and no obvious towncases makes the choice of focus acceptable in my eyes.

@FA: what would happen if we brought you to L-0, by the way? Just curious.

[Amihan]

P.S., Heat is the only one on that wagon above that I'm townreading.

[Amihan]

Sorry about the prod, I forgot to say I would be V/LA this weekend until maybe Monday night or Tuesday morning.

[Amihan]

Not here for long but please explain? I didn't see much reason there other than efforr and I don't think that means town in this case.

[Amihan]

You guys, I really really think Fragger is town. BlueTrin starting to lean more null or town, not sure. Will go into full read detail when I return in full.

UNVOTE: because I don't remember if I was voting Xtoxm, but I'll be back and off V/LA tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Amihan]

And that is not scum behavior.

[Amihan]

Town can and have done that.
I have done that as town.
I have seen others do it as town.
And experienced scum know better.

[Amihan]

I'm having fun but will try to rein it in and post here in a few hours. Later!

[Amihan]

Unless someone has a guilty

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Amihan]

Also I knew Flubber was the Mason (I was going to make the argument yesterday that I could have killed him over Night 1 if I was scum, but it would've probably been anti-town) but it looks like scum did too...

[Amihan]

If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.

[Amihan]

If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.

Unless Frozen Angel and Firestarter are scum ?

Unless they're

both

scum, which is extremely unlikely.

We need a quick hammer though before Aristo bombs.

[Amihan]

I refuse to claim my role at this point, or say to what extent my Aristo information is binding as that reveals its strength.

But I will point out that me bringing this up prior to any indication of the other guilty proves this isn't just something affected by that. At this moment, the other guilty has already been claimed. Having me fullclaim is extremely anti-town as it gives scum more information on how to align their kill and any actions they might have.

In short this one guilty is strong enough: flavor is indicative of alignment, and Bob-omb is a Mario enemy. My role and all other town roles I've seen are not.

[Amihan]

I refuse to claim my role at this point, or say to what extent my Aristo information is binding as that reveals its strength.

[Amihan]

You need to answer this right now. You claimed a guilty and you want to stay mysterious about it. how should I think ?

You should think about whether you believe Fire Starter's guilty or not. It's equivalent to a cop guilty in this setup.

If it makes it any easier for you, pretend I didn't even claim at all. Because I will not be giving scum any more help with their action choices today.

[Amihan]

Me claiming serves no practical purpose for town other than satisfying curiosity, whereas for scum it helps them decide after the Aristo lynch who to kill, roleblock, re-direct, or whatever actions they have.

You can't give credibility to Fire's guilty and still want more unnecessary information from me, because Fire's guilty is already conclusive on its own.

[Amihan]

- there is obviously an scum between Ari and FS becuase the flavor thing.

Again, this is why I'm not claiming. The mod has confirmed that flavor indicates alignment, and Fire found enemy flavor on Aristo.

That is a conclusive guilty on its own, unless you believe Fire is scum instead, and my claim is not needed to settle the decision.

I'm not claiming just because you want to know. Outing anything further about my role helps scum much more than it helps town.

[Amihan]

I'm not satisfying my curiosity

I siriously beleive this might be preplanned or something so clarify.

FORGET FIRE GUILTY. how strong is yours ?

I refuse to claim my role at this point,

or say to what extent my Aristo information is binding as that reveals its strength.

And me revealing the "strength" of my guilty will not help you determine if this was pre-planned.

Instead, look at the posts around where we both voted Aristo. There would be no reason for me to softclaim a guilty, then him to post a full explanation of his guilty before I could clarify. If we were scum, these actions would chain us together unnecessarily, when instead we could have just planned for Fire to claim the incriminating flavor cop action so that if he was lynched as scum, it wouldn't immediately point to me being a partner.

[Amihan]

Let's nolynch today, I'll blow up FS at night, and when it is revealed that I am town and FS is scum, you can all convene in the day and lynch Ami for this noncommittal shit.

LOL. This is the most scummy thing ever. If you're scum, blowing something up along with a scumkill will bring us into LYLO, and if you don't blow something up a scumkill brings us to LYLO with this same discussion to take place.

No. We are lynching you today.

FA being either stubborn town who won't take a second to think it through, or your scumpartner, doesn't change that.

[Amihan]

FA, if you're town, we can have it all: two confirmed town going into Night with scum uncertain of which one poses more of a threat to them.

If I claim, sure maybe you'll give in and we can lynch Aristoscum, but then we run the risk of both of our roles (me and Fire) being useless as scum will know how to work around both of them at once.

Fire's standing claim should be enough to give you a choice between him and Aristo. In any other situation without me hinting at my role, it's an easy choice, but for some reason you're just not taking a second to look at them independent of me.

And if I was scum with Fire, we could have easily won it all without having me claim. It's the same thing as how as scum I wouldn't have drawn so many votes and attention to myself unnecessarily on Day 1.

[Amihan]

FA being either stubborn town who won't take a second to think it through, or your scumpartner, doesn't change that.

IDIOT

I'm confirmed with the one your saying we all must rely to

If you believe FS claim you know for sure that I'm town.

Ah, I forgot about that, the guilty was the foremost thing in my mind. That's good.

Could you cut it out with the names and insults, by the way? You should be experienced enough to know that all it does is demoralize the rest of town.

[Amihan]

FS couldn't have targeted FA N1. I jail kept her

Jailkeep doesn't stop someone from being targeted.

[Amihan]

To diffuse any possibility of us both being scum pulling off an elaborate plan, do you see anyone else claiming? We are the PRs, and probably the most powerful. Do you guys think Ami and I are partners after everything that has happened? No way. I don't know Ami's alignment, but I have a guilty and that's what we need to focus on.

Also, FA, why does one of me and Ari have to be scum? I don't follow.

Pedit: perfect timing again.

One of us is scum because you say I'm Bob-omb and I say I'm Bombette.

If you are scum Flavour Cop, you got my role and spun it to something believable yet scummy.

If I am scum, I am fakeclaiming.

But that we disagree is the issue.


And nice job pushing yourself as "the for sure PRs" even though Ami is being cryptic and you are lying.
That's actually a really good move to sway people towards supporting your scummy self!

Oh I didn't know you actually claimed Bombette.

Claiming it after Fire revealed you were Bob-omb is super suspicious even if I didn't already have reason to think you're scum.

Also,

why would scum have a flavor cop?

That gives them no utility since they don't need to find out alignments and flavors this game rarely hint at specific powers, whereas a role cop would actually be of use to them. When flavor is indicative of alignment, a flavor cop being town is by far the most logical explanation, and you've confirmed he's a flavor cop.

[Amihan]

FS couldn't have targeted FA N1. I jail kept her

Jailkeep doesn't stop someone from being targeted.

Oh my god yes it fucking does!!!!!

You're thinking of roleblocker

No, Jailkeeper only protects and roleblocks a player.

The role that prevents a role from being targeted is Rolestopper.

Now you're latching onto anything you can to stay alive: Heat's misunderstanding, trying to go for a no lynch, and so on... lol.

[Amihan]

I literally just linked the wiki for how Jailkeeper is used here: "Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien." That's a rare variant, not actually a jailkeeper.

Mod, what does a jailkeeper do?

[Amihan]

Just did a quick search and in this Normal game, Aristo played with a Jailkeeper, was already informed that what he thought a Jailkeeper did was just a variant that was uncommon here:

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

Makes me think DK may have been a jailer who can kill their target at the end of the night, jailed Lapsa, and decided to kill him, getting shot by scum himself. I have seen this variant quite a few times.

No.

Informed is not a normal role, as far as I know. Thus I am the non-normal role. mini games can only have up to one non-normal role.

Okie dokie. Learning things as we go.

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?

I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).

Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.

No, a jailkeeper cannot kill.
Don't worry, "I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground", too.

Subject: Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

DK, you were a jailkeeper who could kill one of his jailed people, yes?

I'm mostly asking because I totally called that and was told it just simply couldn't be ( by PK I think).

Also, I would have continued to tunnel you into the ground had you lived. I'm sad we lost the PR but it simplifie D2 a lot and got us going on the right track.

That variant, as far as I know, is only on sc2mafia.

[Amihan]

I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.

[Amihan]

Yes, but the variant you were assuming and already corrected about in that game was one that did both.

[Amihan]

I did a quick search of RadiantCowbells' games he's modded, and while he hasn't had a Jailkeeper in one of them, he's usually stuck to the normal versions of roles, and has played with the normal version of jailkeeper. There is no precedent for RadiantCowbells deciding to use a role variant like that rather than a normal role with potential modifiers.

How about we let the actual JK or the Mod tell us.

This is pathetic.

Translation: "Stop using logic, it's incriminating me! Everybody listen to Heat who will either still be confused or be scum, or the mod who clearly won't confirm anything!"

[Amihan]

Y'all are whack

My role says I commute the target.

Well the problem here is that I have an Aristo result and that Fire Starter's flavor cop on Aristo and Aristo's reaction only makes sense if Fire=town and Aristo=scum.

Also, the mod never said that flavor was indicative of alignment until after Fire claimed. Bomb and Bombette seem too close and convenient to be anything other than a scum role and mod-provided fakeclaim role. Mods design fakeclaims based on powers.

I'm trying to figure out if 2 town masons, a town unlynchable/loved, my role, a town flavor cop when flavor is indicative of alignment, and a town jailkeep and commute-forcer are compatible. I really don't think so though.

[Amihan]

I know that I and FA at least are town, and thus Aristo not being lynched in MYLO yet means Aristo is scum.

If you jail kept me I could have been investigated. I wasn't commuted or anything *facepalm*

Heat that claim was so shit. you better have a good explanation.

Y'all are whack

My role says I commute the target.

See, this is what I'm sayin'!

Let Heat clarify!

Now the god damned timing created more wine for you all!

Heat, vote FS the liar with me now, please

This just reeks of smug scum...

[Amihan]

If only I targeted FA night 1... I almost did but then chose lilith

[Amihan]

I know that I and FA at least are town, and thus Aristo not being lynched in MYLO yet means Aristo is scum.

how do you know that if you didn't target me?

do you have any kind of information about heat becuase you targeted him n1?

Because whether FS is town or scum, he only has reason to clear you if you're town. Scum clearing another scum would be too risky.

[Amihan]

Ohey, actual reasonible reasoning from thus slit for the first time since....?

Well, it follows the same logic that "scum wouldn't do this in case one of them got lynched instead", which you actually dismissed completely when I put forth a similar point about both me and Fire Starter not being scum together.

[Amihan]

Amihan, claim your guilty on ari

No.

[Amihan]

Everything I know about Ari's play and role and results on him indicates him being scum. Heat counterclaims Fire's role and says he is lying.

The scenarios possible to me are:

- Heat is scum trying to double up the pressure on Fire and win this today by defending his scumpartner Aristo
- Fire is scum bussing Aristo

I actually think the first one is more likely because Heat's role seems extremely overpowered as town next to two masons and my role. Either way, Aristo is scum FMPOV.

[Amihan]

Amihan, claim your guilty on ari

No.

Then you are scum with no case.

Man this game is solving itself!

Again, you're discrediting me. I've already outlined why Fire's guilty and your extremely cautious nature interacting with his initial push, plus convenient claim around it, indicate you being scum on their own without my result needing to be revealed.

[Amihan]

What didn't you die?

[Amihan]

When I was trying to figure out if Lilith was really a mason, I checked the possibilities if there were any partners based on who voted or suspected her, and Flubber's interactions with lilith were the only ones that were kept at a careful null. IIRC everyone else expressed something potentially negative about her, or she expressed something potentially negative on them.

[Amihan]

I'm Princess Peach a beloved Princess.

This is also what I guessed!

I love being right.

[Amihan]

Did Aristophanes claim a different flavor? I probably missed it

Aristo claimed to be Bombette who can suicide bomb at night, but only after Fire Starter had revealed he investigated her as Bob-omb. IIRC Fire had been pushing for a flavor claim beforehand that Aristo was trying to step around.

Those aren't town reactions from Aristo, it's scum going back to the fakeclaim. It's more likely that town has a flavor cop here than scum.

There's another problem here with thinking Heat's claim is fake though - I can definitely see a town commute forcer with a scum night suicide bomber, as it can trap scum and only let the suicide portion of the action go through. That is a really clever interaction.

I don't know who's scum between Heat and Fire Starter, but I know Aristo is scum for sure.

[Amihan]

Ami strawmanning with their claim looks awful

What?

[Amihan]

I also don't know why Aristo wouldn't just use their ability or hint at it early on if they were really town, before using it would be a risk to town. Town with nothing else to do other than bomb will most often use the power, and IIRC at the time of the Day 1 no lynch Aristo had a few scumreads they were a bit certain of.

Aristo not hinting at it at all also reads like scum biding their time to use it just in case there's a good chance they'd be lynched the next day instead.

[Amihan]

I am in favor of a nl with Aristophanes bombing one of them

I am not in favor of a NL because either way (successful bomb or not) it brings us to LYLO if Aristo is just scum, which is the only scenario I can see this all happening in. And if Aristo bombs, both me and Fire Starter die to him and the scumkill tonight, and we lose both power roles without scum having to gamble on which they think is more dangerous. Heat if town could commute one of us, but then that renders our powers useless anyway.

[Amihan]

Lol that looks like coaching to ami

The conf bias has set in

Do you think I would need to be coached as scum?

Honestly if I were scum I'd be the one running the show. Or at least running FS.

[Amihan]

I don't really think that's an ego thing but rather that I've shown my experience despite my join date.

[Amihan]

My role has a distinct action name. If yours is really just Jailkeeper, I don't buy that.

[Amihan]

Distinct and specific.

[Amihan]

I'm going to sleep now and will be really busy tomorrow. I'll try to return tomorrow night though.

[Amihan]

I detected motion on Aristophanes last night. Doesn't mean much but I was hoping to get nothing and prove that he wasn't really planning to bomb...

[Amihan]

I intended to be dead today, and to have FS dead with me.
I

Power Bombed

him last night.

According to the Bombette wiki, Power Bomb is one of Bombette's signature moves. I really hope I'm not the only one noticing Aristo's usage of "Power Bomb" over the generic "suicide bomb" here. In my experience this kind of unnecessary extraneous role detail usually comes from scum because they feel a need to emphasize their fakeclaim details and/or they're looking back at the fake Role PM a lot. Most town don't bother rechecking and looking at something that minor unless they're looking for an overlooked detail, and I highly doubt Aristo using "Power Bomb" here was some nonchalant recollection.

I mean, there are so many things besides the guilties about Aristo's behavior that are just

completely off

and how you guys (Fluminator in particular because YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN BE BETTER AT READING PEOPLE) somehow thought he was town going into the Night made no sense. Like at this point I'm almost thinking this is some sort of subconscious fallacious thinking about believing the most recent counterclaim (Heat). It tends to be that the secondary claim in a 1 on 1 situation is more likely town but that just doesn't apply to the mess of role interactions here and it's frustrating to think that a player so obviously scum is being taken at face value because of that flaw.

[Amihan]

Yes I used a motion detector action on you last night. My powers are all based on action-detecting, but I still don't think I want to claim the other nights yet because it breaks the pattern.

[Amihan]

*le sigh*

Honestly I have no idea how everyone seems to think the way you've been posting these past few days is natural or in line with town tone in this situation at all.

[Amihan]

Ami, please just claim all the other nights now

like why are you withholding the information

Because it allows scum to play around my actions, when they're only useful if scum has limited knowledge.

You should claim who you targeted last night.

[Amihan]

Ami, please just claim all the other nights now

like why are you withholding the information

Because it allows scum to play around my actions, when they're only useful if scum has limited knowledge.

You should claim who you targeted last night.

[Amihan]

Once again, I'm not going to give up a chance at a potential future guilty just because you're irritated with me. The information I have (about my own role) dictates that I keep it hidden for optimal use, and is not helpful to the problem we have to solve today, the problem being Aristo being scum and yet nobody wanting to lynch him.

The way MYLO works is that either you all believe two of me, Fire Starter, and Frozen Angel are scum due to how long Aristo was at L-2 without a hammer, or you go by Occam's Razor (the correct answer) and believe Aristo is scum by the numbers and his reaction to Fire's role and flavor reveal.

[Amihan]

Can you not see how coincidental Aristo's responses are, especially the flavor claim in response to the Bob-omb investigation? It's literally akin to a player claiming they're a miller after a cop guilties them. It's unbelievable how many of you (INCLUDING OUR CONFIRMED TOWN) believe it's even likely at all.

Again, either you believe Fire claimed to investigate Aristo as Bob-omb, and Aristo (after posting a few times that he was waiting first) responded by claiming Bombette which just so happens to be a matching fakeclaim to Bob-omb (which experienced mods like RC provide).

Or you somehow believe the flavor cop is scum (I'm Daisy and my powers are impossible to predict from knowing that, so a scum flavor cop has very limited utility as compared to town), and happened to investigate Aristo as Bombette but got the clever idea on his own to claim that Aristo was Bob-omb. The way he was trying to draw more information out of Aristo before claiming also makes no sense in this scenario.

[Amihan]

Waaaait, he said Bob-omb?

I should read better.

That is a lie and he is scum. Both are and are trying a quick wagon.

Fucking...
My bad.
Thanks for pointing that out FA.

I'll give mister Firestarter here a chance to tell the truth, even though he is lying fucking scum.

How skeevy!

you have 10 seconds!

Okay, gimme a sec, on mobile.

I wanted FS to retry first.

But gimme a sec.

Confirm you want this claim and I'll give it, but I'd rather hear from FS again first.

or asking mod a fake claim o.O

I'd have done that a while ago if I was gonna.

Like these are all his posts in between Fire's guilty and his "real claim".

How is this initial reaction to a guilty not coming from scum who knows Fire is telling the truth and town. If you're town and someone claims a cop guilty on you, your immediate reaction isn't "I'll give him a second chance", it's "you're lying confirmed scum to me, now die". His reaction here is a convoluted mix of the two and delaying it like he can't decide how exactly town would react here. He doesn't even vote Fire here.

[Amihan]

I'll give mister Firestarter here a chance to tell the truth, even though he is lying fucking scum.

How skeevy!

HOW ARE YOU ALL BELIEVING THIS.

[Amihan]

cool, you flavour claimed
one step at a time

now please claim your actions

Once again, I'm not going to give up a chance at a potential future guilty just because you're irritated with me. The information I have (about my own role) dictates that I keep it hidden for optimal use, and is not helpful to the problem we have to solve today, the problem being Aristo being scum and yet nobody wanting to lynch him.

[Amihan]

You don't need my previous actions to sort Ari or anyone else. I've already claimed I targeted lilith on night 1 and Ari on night 2. It won't help a thing, and only gives scum more to work with.

[Amihan]

Literally everyone has claimed.

Have Blue and Ranger?
Have the night actions been fully claimed?
Has Fire done more than flavour?

No.

It's funny how much more blatant scum delaying tactics become in a Blitz. This isn't his first time either.

[Amihan]

So though you apparently think I'm scum and you also get upset over my "limited view of the gamestate".

This is scum mad at being tunneled, everyone.

[Amihan]

I don't even think that deserves a response.

[Amihan]

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-26 23:00:00).

As a reminder.

VOTE: Aristo

[Amihan]

Honestly Heat voting Aristo would worry me if I wasn't starting to think FS and Aristo were crossbussing.

I disliked FS's egg interaction with Firebringer and thought it was actually really scummy... Heat is the one that comes off the most town right now in this mess. :/

[Amihan]

But Heat reading as town doesn't diminish my massive Aristo scumread, I don't think the two necessarily have to be linked.

[Amihan]

11 hours for a hammer?...

[Amihan]

Sorry I've been busy this weekend. I don't have much time now but seeing how bad the position I took on FS vs. Aristo looks, I'm full claiming: just Motion Detector. I got positive results on all my targets nights 1 through 3. My Aristo opinion was already shaped by the FS guilty, my initial vote was trying to get a reaction from him because of the positive result and I just stuck with it because FS's guilty was really genuine and I wanted to see if scum would risk killing me next instead.

I don't regret the conclusion because all the implications added up to Aristo scum though. I know I was wrong but I can't say in a future situation I'd see it any differently. :/

Right now I'm looking at Ranger as a definite scum. The stance she took while still keeping to the background make me more certain there than FB or BT, since both can be classified as potential VIs... Heat is town of course but I don't know if Ranger/BT would have had the time to quickhammer together. But then FB's Heat stance is either way dumb as heck because Heat is practically confirmed town today.

[Amihan]

VOTE: Ranger

[Amihan]

Darn it... Firebringer why? Just why?

According to the dead thread this isn't even the first or second time you've done something like that. Isn't there some sort of penalty for repeatedly and purposefully playing against your win condition?

For the record, I was aware of my Ranger guilty but was waiting for a no-action claim. I should have remembered Ranger already claimed Gladiator, but they both showed up to hammer right afterward anyway.

[Amihan]

repeatedly and purposefully playing against your win condition?

Specifically, when it counts, like then.

[Amihan]

With what I've seen there's definitely reasonable cause not to believe you.

[Amihan]

I just don't see how you could legitimately believe Heat was scum after his counterclaim to Fire Starter... And like RC said the "following FA" part doesn't lend credence either.

[Amihan]

Legitimately believe, and believe enough to vote someone who was essentially confirmed town right away in LYLO.

Why?

[Amihan]

I explained my earlier play (backed away from explicitly saying guilty) and my guilty

was

on Ranger...

[Amihan]

VOTE: RC