Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[Golden Robster]

Stop sidelining my questions and answer my reads

They were quite simple

1. Why do you townread Keysor and scum read masquerade

To answer your questions

When did I 'implicitly' defend mn; I'm generating content through my direct and probing questions.

Accusatory tone is my playstyle.

Keysor doesn't look town to me.

[Keyser Söze]

Do you have a read on Aquanim?

At first I felt Aquanim was overreacting to mn RVS' post (scum indicative) - but my understanding of the tone of mn's first post changed after his subsequent remarks. Thus, I think Aquanim's reaction was null-indicative. Town/scum Aquanim had every right to shout about mn's serious post.

I have trust issues. :S

This is healthy. Nurture it. (I actually find paranoia usually town-indicative).

Why did you take his comment so seriously during the RVS stage?

Re-read the thread Golden Robster. I genuinely thought his opening post was sarcastic RVS (not serious) until his later posts confirmed he was being "serious".

So...

what did you think of mn's serious scum-read of you

? Why did YOU not engage with mn?

the length to which you went to

discredit him

seems forced.

Point out where I brought alignment (scum-indicative) into it. All I wanted was for mn to play the game.

GR seems a lot more level headed than I previously thought. I withdraw my statement.

Thanks, this is better (a read and an explanation). I'm glad you want to play now.

I'm hardly trying right now

All I wanted was for you to try. Posts like:

"Golden Robster is mafia."

<<unexplained scum-read

"Why would I?"

<<we usually vote for our scum-reads

"My opening post was serious, gr is mafia."

<<still, an unexplained scum-read

"There is nothing else to say, his opening posts proved he is mafia."

<<still, an unexplained scum-read

"I know you guys have low Intelligence, but please"

<<personal insult

[These weren't productive.]

[Golden Robster]

@Kesyor

I still thought the post about him being serious was meant in a jokingly, albeit badly, way of sarcasm.

Where you discredited him? The question about his wincon (on the phone, can't quote) and the general use of gifs to mirror your reaction. The seriousness at which you responded to his posts alarmed me.

[Golden Robster]

Also, what does everybody think about Ocean?

[OceanWind]

When did I 'implicitly' defend mn

I just quoted where you defended mn. When your townread (Masquerade) accused your "meh" read (mn), your response is to interrupt, call Masquerade's statement "drastic" and question him about whether mn's behavior impeded town.

I have a hard time buying that your reads are actually what you say they are. They don't match up with your actions.

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Mn has been posting reads and scumhunting even if he's not explaining his actions. He is taking in new information and adapting his reads as the game progresses. Early reads are often gut-based and intuitive. There's often not a well-developed logical explanation for them. So, I don't care if he's can't explain a page one read. He may not be scumhunting in the way that most people like and has an unconventional approach. This makes him an easy target.

Masquerade's Post 59 is nitpicking playstyle tells from mn in lieu of scumhunting.

Keyser Soze is a townread because he's pro-active, he's questioning people, moving the game forward. Posts like 25 show a rather transparent thought process and we get a taste of what he's been thinking internally and how he's reacting to game events.

The first question that sprung to my mind was: 'Do you really believe mn scum-reads Golden Robster?' [i.e Aquanim is overreacting - why/how could mn already firmly conclude Golden Robster is scum during page one RVS? However, mn's following two posts made me re-think my position on the tone of his intro (sarcastic/RVS vs bad play).

It's uncommon for mafia to fake this level of transparency this early in the game.

[Keyser Söze]

The question about his wincon (on the phone, can't quote) and the general use of gifs to mirror your reaction.

Re-read the thread Golden Robster. It was a simple illustration. Town must eliminate scum through their votes (as per your wincon). It is a simple game mechanism. mn said he didn't need to vote his scum-reads. By this time, I gauged what game he was playing and provoked some emotion/direction into his posts.

The seriousness at which you responded to his posts alarmed me.

I was being "serious" because mn said he was being serious about his early posts. Serious reads require serious reasons.

[Golden Robster]

I disagree with that last statement.

Making that sort of assumption is tantamount to saying "scum can't be trying too hard in this game and since Keysor seems to be trying he must be town." Something along those lines.

I didn't disagree with Mn.

I specifically asked for your masquerade scumreasd. Nitpickety isn't good enough for you to scum read him overall and we're only four pages in.

[Keyser Söze]

Votecount 1.1

Must improve these ice cream pictures SirCakez!

Spoiler:

[Golden Robster]

Indeed, now I see.

Tom Hanks the savior.

I like where my vote is currently.

[mn]

VOTE: Phoenix Wright

Okay, I'll bite. Why'd you vote me?

Im searching for questions, like the one you just asked.

[OceanWind]

Nitpickety isn't good enough for you to scum read him overall and we're only four pages in.

I see. And "disagreeing" is the only valid reason to scumread people in your mind?

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: Phoenix Wright

Okay, I'll bite. Why'd you vote me?

Im searching for questions, like the one you just asked.

Ironic, because you haven't asked any questions yet

[mn]

Are you unable to read?

[Phoenix Wright]

No. Are you unable to be condescending? I misunderstood you and thought were voting me because you thought I didn't ask enough questions

[Phoenix Wright]

*not

[Aquanim]

Okay, mn, you think you know what you're doing. Impress me.

UNVOTE: mn

[Aquanim]

@Golden Robster

: Can you explain why you townread (or at least disagree with a scumread of) Masquerade?

[mn]

If you are Not Impressed yet then That is your problem.

[Keyser Söze]

I disagree with that last statement.

Making that sort of assumption is tantamount to saying "scum can't be trying too hard in this game and since Keysor seems to be trying he must be town." Something along those lines.

I'm sorry but mafia can't fake this level of transparency

Also, what does everybody think about Ocean?

It's only Page 4 but here we go...



Ok, OceanWind replaces in. He get's straight into the game with a vote and two unexplained town reads:

VOTE: Masquerade

I have townreads on Keyser Soze and mn.

This is OceanWind's choice of entrance = direct. No jokes or small talk - it shows he's already read the thread. But OceanWind doesn't sheep or jump on the mn/Keyser Soze hate train - he town reads them! Starting a new wagon on Masquerade.

I don't see that from your previous posts:

Is it too early to ask for a force-replace? I really get the feeling mn is only here to antagonize us and not planning on actually playing the game..

That's quite a drastic comment to make during RVS.

Why?

Do you think his behavior has impeded town thus far?

Here, you implicitly defend mn from Masquerade and speak to Masquerade in an accusatory tone ("drastic comment"). That suggests you think Masquerade is probably not town and that you at least lean somewhat town on mn.

What is your read on Keyser Soze now?

I believe OceanWind didn't fully grasp the tone of your "drastic comment" post regarding mn. I read it as you opposing a mod enforced replacement (this has nothing to do with alignment). Thus, OceanWind's perspective of it being "lean somewhat town on mn" is off the mark IMO. However, the fact Golden Robster highlighted Masquerade's post shows that he finds 'something off' with the post. "probably not town" is probably a jump to far though. Both town and scum can miss-read player's tone so null on this.

Mn has been posting reads and scumhunting even if he's not explaining his actions. He is taking in new information and adapting his reads as the game progresses. Early reads are often gut-based and intuitive. There's often not a well-developed logical explanation for them. So, I don't care if he's can't explain a page one read. He may not be scumhunting in the way that most people like and has an unconventional approach. This makes him an easy target.

I like this alot (as in, I can see town-mn from the narrative OceanWind paints here).

I still haven't got a firm read/lean on OceanWind but will observe his scum-read/pressure of Masquerade.

[Phoenix Wright]

Well, I have evaluated things.

VOTE: Phoenix

I like this post. You're trying to get someone do tell you "expand on this"

Do not expand or you confirm yourself as Red.

curious about what this means

[mn]

mind games

[Masquerade]

mn, I apologize for my impatience. I didn't like it when you made those insulting remarks. I'll try to ignore those and work with your playstyle.

To everyone else, I want to make clear that I'm not scumreading mn. I got a certain feeling from his earliest posts and it had nothing to do with his alignment. If I thought he was scum I'd vote him instead of suggesting a force-replace..

[mn]

It is fine, i can understand frustration when playing against me. To be honest I do not like how I play, but It Is the Only way I know how.

[popsofctown]

Sorry, will get to this game when I can.

Vote: mn

for happening to be the most recent post when I posted this IOU <_>

[Aquanim]

Anyone around for a chat?