Micro 574 — Space Invaders Mafia 4 — Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Feels like he realizes that Ranger siding is an easy win because of her tunnel on me and is just siding with her because of that.
His position 180, the 'probably' in his spatula beating comment, exaggerated 'OMG I HATE MYSELF IF MISLYNCH' all adds up to it.
I wouldn't advise a vote from Apri for at least a day but this is probably the scum.

[Errantparabola]

Feels like he realizes that Ranger siding is an easy win because of her tunnel on me and is just siding with her because of that.
His position 180, the 'probably' in his spatula beating comment, exaggerated 'OMG I HATE MYSELF IF MISLYNCH' all adds up to it.
I wouldn't advise a vote from Apri for at least a day but this is probably the scum.

1. Want to create motive out of nothing? I can do that too. Your push on me is an attempt to get me to commit to my townread on you to escape scrutiny when you know full well that's not how people should play in fucking lylo.
2. Baseless accusation right? Not any more baseless than yours.
3. My position 180 is a hallucination on your part. I was not even considering voting you until this shamelessly bad post.
4. You also know full well that the "exaggeration" is exactly how I played in SU prequel. NAI.
5. "Oh EP thinks i'm town? White knight." "Oh EP thinks I'm scum? Opportunist." That's the kind of logic that sets up for easy progression into a scumread no matter what the future holds. You're better than this.

Things I disliked

"Mixed signals" does not and should not equal "null"
"Jumping to a deathtunnel after the flip of RC's partner" doesn't make sense. What happens when the subject of that deathtunnel dies? Jump to another deathtunnel? If RC were scum that wouldn't fly with town.
The townslip.

I'm going to elaborate on these.

1. Ranger wants to avoid committing on a Dewy read despite things that potentially point to Dewy scum.
2. Ranger wants to create motive that points to Scum RC out of nothing which is literally what RC is doing right now.
3. I've already talked about the townslip and I wrote it off because I was certain the game would have ended by now. Basically what Ranger did was make us entertain the idea of her genuine townslipping without wanting to make it seem like she wanted to make us think that she was genuine townslipping. whatever.

[Errantparabola]

at this point i'm considering just looking at who was townier early game and voting the other because both lategames haven't exactly been peachy.
basically what that means is i've know where my vote's gonna be.
I'm going to wait for Ranger to show up in this thread which will probably be this evening.

[Marquis]

DAY 03, VOTECOUNT 04

[0]

Apricity

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[0]

Ranger

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[1]

RadiantCowbells

— Ranger

[L-2]

[1]

Errantparabola

— RadiantCowbells

[L-2]

[2]

NOT VOTING

— Apricity, Errantparabola

With

[4]

alive, it takes

[3]

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-03-06 23:00:00)

(Sun Mar 6 @ 11:00:00 PM EST).

NOTES

Laser Cannon

Apricity has already fired.

[Apricity]

Feels like he realizes that Ranger siding is an easy win because of her tunnel on me and is just siding with her because of that.
His position 180, the 'probably' in his spatula beating comment, exaggerated 'OMG I HATE MYSELF IF MISLYNCH' all adds up to it.
I wouldn't advise a vote from Apri for at least a day but this is probably the scum.

Position 180? EP's been townreading you forever.

[RadiantCowbells]

he seems to be trying to gradually move over to a scumread on me in a way I don't like.

[Apricity]

he seems to be trying to gradually move over to a scumread on me in a way I don't like.

where

[RadiantCowbells]

The spatula comment is way exaggerated and as such it's easy to go back on it.
The 'I wouldn't trust your reads' thing.
the fact that he's defending her in 1707 and elsewhere.
the very neutral way he's talking to the two of us like he doesn't have a strong lean.
and 1736 is giving him a starting ground for joining Ranger in pushing on me, and blaming me for it.

[Errantparabola]

at this point i'm considering just looking at who was townier early game and voting the other because both lategames haven't exactly been peachy.
basically what that means is i've know where my vote's gonna be.
I'm going to wait for Ranger to show up in this thread which will probably be this evening.

Im making it pretty clear here that i intend to vote for ranger despite your post being incredibly bad and you refusing to see it as such.

[Errantparabola]

since you refuse to engage in line by line (which is fine) i'll sum up your read.
RC is voting me because he holds me to the same standard of reads-confidence that he and Ranger have. That's simply ludicrous.

[Apricity]

I'm starting to think EP is town, actually...

[RadiantCowbells]

We don't have much time and Ranger didn't look at this game.

Zzz.

[Errantparabola]

she prioritized a whole bunch of games above this one.
wow.

[Errantparabola]

VOTE: Ranger
Apri don't vote anywhere please.

[Ranger]

@Ranger Clarify how BBT appeared obvtown to you.

He singlehandedly forced the Not_Mafia laser through. That was NOT scum double-bussing, which in this setup would be suicidal, and the thoughts that he would have been were folly. His tone was arrogant, but in a way conveying strength and confidence that he should never be lynched because he was clearly town in his eyes. He was certain he had the game locked down. He raised many, MANY valid points. This, just off the top of my head from memory. If you had asked earlier, the list would have been even longer.

[RadiantCowbells]

why's it suicide to double bus in this setup?

one of you gets vigged, other is in the clear.

[Ranger]

You've played lots of games with RC right?
Have you seriously never seen a game with townRC where his play matches the play in this game?

There's no game with an exact comparison to his play right now, at least none that are finished. His play prior to right now, earlier in the game? I can't recall any town. Maybe they exist, but I don't remember them.

[RadiantCowbells]

read steven universe mafia.

drixx and I fought all of late d1 and d2 then I blew up at Fro99er for attempting to vig me when I was an innocent child.

[Ranger]

RC, so ranger is basing her perception of town you off of one game?

Wrong. Excluding here, I have 11 games with RadiantCowbells or a known alt, and of them, only 2 are ongoing.

That's NINE completed games.

[Ranger]

I don't think meta is the best way to read someone.

My read on Radiant is also not meta.
Radiant fits the profile of scum.
I've laid out why. He pushed Not_Mafia as scum, but only strategically. In opportune moments, he pursued other players when convenient. At a key stage in the game, Not_Mafia had the chance to hammer Radiant before Apricity could get off a shot and night actions be coordinated, yet he did not.

Meta is what I'm using to point out RC's actions aren't town. Not what I'm using to say RC's actions are scum.

[Errantparabola]

He singlehandedly forced the Not_Mafia laser through. That was NOT scum double-bussing, which in this setup would be suicidal, and the thoughts that he would have been were folly. His tone was arrogant, but in a way conveying strength and confidence that he should never be lynched because he was clearly town in his eyes. He was certain he had the game locked down. He raised many, MANY valid points. This, just off the top of my head from memory. If you had asked earlier, the list would have been even longer.

this isn't really good townreading material
certainty to the point of arrogance is easily faked
but it's really not useful to argue over the alignment of someone who is dead.

[Ranger]

@Ranger Why hard defend your "townslip"?

I didn't?

I pointed out that it was a townslip.

In the interest of full-disclosure, I mentioned that it might not mean as much as it should because I have faked a townslip as scum. (The faked townslip in the link was saying scum could coordinate in their PT to shoot when by the setup, scum had no method of talking at any point in the game. It got noticed by the dead town, but was completely glossed over by the living.)

[Ranger]

But Ranger's 'LET'S NL' idea is so awful as well.

A lot less awful when you come from the mindset of being a doctor with a protection left and being under the impression scum can therefore not kill the laser no matter what so long as I'm not lynched.

[Errantparabola]

I've laid out why. He pushed Not_Mafia as scum, but only strategically. In opportune moments, he pursued other players when convenient. At a key stage in the game, Not_Mafia had the chance to hammer Radiant before Apricity could get off a shot and night actions be coordinated, yet he did not.

Meta is what I'm using to point out RC's actions aren't town. Not what I'm using to say RC's actions are scum.

1. I think NM interactions aren't going to give us much in the way of determining someone's alignment this game. Look at dewy and beeboy.
2. And RC doesn't "bus strategically." RC busses 100% if he believes the tradeoff to be worth it. RC busses with the expectation that his scumpartner will die, not with the expectation that he will gain a strategic advantage via distancing.
3. I remember NM being seriously disconnected with the game. I doubt that he would have pounced on that opportunity to hammer townRC.

[Errantparabola]

I didn't?

I pointed out that it was a townslip.

In the interest of full-disclosure, I mentioned that it might not mean as much as it should because I have faked a townslip as scum. (The faked townslip in the link was saying scum could coordinate in their PT to shoot when by the setup, scum had no method of talking at any point in the game. It got noticed by the dead town, but was completely glossed over by the living.)

I am entertaining the possibility of this being what you wanted us to think.
You wanted us to think that "oh, Ranger townslipped but look at her, she doesn't even want the towncred for the slip. She even provided evidence against it being legitimate. That's pretty good and leads me to believe that yes, it was indeed a legitimate townslip."

Here's the thing.
You're a capable player.
I have no doubt that you, as potential scum, would get acquainted with the game state and THEN read "from the top" and give a progression of your reads, so that we think that you are reading organically from the top but you've actually already understood the nature of the game state as it is in the present.
This is all speculation, but it's circumstantially corroborated by
1. Your weak BBT townread (in which you say "oh, BBT is going to die soon and he's going to flip town, I just know it")
2. Your townslip
3. Your trajectory of your RC read.