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Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:55 am

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this is just a blatant lie.
if i had to evaluate both of Ranger's and RC's recent plays, they would both be scummy to some degree. I said earlier that my vote on Ranger was founded on the belief that RC had early play that I believed came from town. I unvoted because the townread I had on RC could have possibly been coming from scum, knowing RC's capabilities of being universally townread quickly (a possibility that I refused to consider until RC's abysmal late game play).


you've said this whole game that you've thought I'm town.
I'm town. now all of a sudden ranger's scumreading me and your vote changes.
what gives?
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Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:56 am

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Apricity wrote:Will you be able to vote? We haven't got much time left.
I'm already voting Errant.
If it were a move to RC...the answer is "maybe". Maybe I could, maybe I couldn't, I honestly don't know. The question isn't whether I could vote him, it's whether I would want to.
And, curse him forever, right now as much as I've painted him as scum, I don't actually think he's scum so I don't want to.
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Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:57 am

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In post 1803, Marquis wrote:
DAY 03, VOTECOUNT 06


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— Ranger
[L-2]


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— Apricity, RadiantCowbells, Errantparabola

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Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:58 am

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In post 1825, RadiantCowbells wrote:
this is just a blatant lie.
if i had to evaluate both of Ranger's and RC's recent plays, they would both be scummy to some degree. I said earlier that my vote on Ranger was founded on the belief that RC had early play that I believed came from town. I unvoted because the townread I had on RC could have possibly been coming from scum, knowing RC's capabilities of being universally townread quickly (a possibility that I refused to consider until RC's abysmal late game play).


you've said this whole game that you've thought I'm town.
I'm town. now all of a sudden ranger's scumreading me and your vote changes.
what gives?

want me to give you a timeline?

Ranger scumreads you
I say that's bullshit
Dewy gets shot
I am still townreading you at this point
You do some seriously questionable things that I have pointed out multiple times.
I am no longer townreading you
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Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:59 am

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In post 1826, Ranger wrote:And, curse him forever, right now as much as I've painted him as scum, I don't actually think he's scum so I don't want to.

this is, by the way, because ranger's "case" on RC is terrible.
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Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:25 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:this is, by the way, because ranger's "case" on RC is terrible.
To the contrary. My case on RC is strong.
And I hate myself for not following through on it.
But...I'm not following through on it because even though that's what huge key pieces of evidence tell me, my own instincts backed up by certain other posts (namely, Soren's post defending Not_Mafia and your entrance post matching the scum mold you projected onto me combined with the already-mentioned read-peddle and egregious misread of me against all reasonable expectations to the contrary) tell me it's you.
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Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:36 pm

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I'm coming back to this after dinner. Won't be long.
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Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:38 pm

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To sum it up:
-RC looks like scum for lots of reasons. Similarity to his scumgame, particularly as a then-secret alt which had no reason to replicate town-play of RC because he was an alt. Strategic pushes which were opportunistic and convenient. Not_Mafia's lack of a hammer on him when given the opportunity. Not_Mafia's general commenting on him (and no other player) without doing anything. Furthermore, some parts of my argument with Errant felt townVtown, which by default, would make Radiant scum.
-However, in spite of all of this, in a move that makes absolutely no sense to me yet which I'm doing anyway for god only knows why, I'm not voting him. This is in part because...
-My instincts are telling me to pursue Errantparabola.
-This instinct is fueled by a few factors. For a start, while RC has self-admitted he is playing to his scum meta (yet insists he is town anyway), Errantparabola is
also
displaying strong qualities of Errant's scumgame. There's a lack of commitment in several areas of Errant's iso, and analysis that says a lot but does almost nothing. (I mainly am referencing Errant's catch-up posts near the beginning, here.)
-This is further reinforced by the misread on me: Errantparabola has seen my scum game, and it is nothing like here. Errantparabola has many games with me as town, and should know this is
exactly
like those games. When I pointed this out, Errantparabola brushed it off, effectively ignoring key evidence. Reinforcing this, the last time Errantparabola tried to scumread me in a manner similar to this, Errant was scum, and this part is admittedly from memory, but I recall Errant--though loosening the stance--never firmly reversing it. The last time Errant scumread me as town, Errant instead backed down. It's a small sample size, yes, but it's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Errant is scum again.
-Then you throw in Soren's Not_Mafia defense.
-And with Errant's early posting resembling the very mold Errant tried to project as being MY scumplay ("read the game, get situated, and THEN post after already being familiar with the game state"), I'm willing to trust that instinct.
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Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:42 pm

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okay never mind. that recent post makes me convinced that ranger's scum. never mind. that's such a travesty. ignore everything bad i've said about RC.
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Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:46 pm

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In post 1832, Ranger wrote:-My instincts are telling me to pursue Errantparabola.

this is false. your instincts told you that "arguing with me was a TvT" and then without any other additional evidence, you decided to 180 that read.

In post 1832, Ranger wrote:For a start, while RC has self-admitted he is playing to his scum meta (yet insists he is town anyway)

not even close to a towntell for RC.

In post 1832, Ranger wrote:Errantparabola has seen my scum game, and it is nothing like here. Errantparabola has many games with me as town, and should know this is exactly like those games.

evidence.
oh wait, there is none.

In post 1832, Ranger wrote:When I pointed this out, Errantparabola brushed it off, effectively ignoring key evidence.

that you never presented.

In post 1832, Ranger wrote:It's a small sample size, yes, but it's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Errant is scum again.

"this evidence is unreliable but it's good enough for me!"

In post 1832, Ranger wrote:And with Errant's early posting resembling the very mold Errant tried to project as being MY scumplay ("read the game, get situated, and THEN post after already being familiar with the game state"), I'm willing to trust that instinct.

unlike you, I actually have corroborating evidence that I have presented that shows that you may have done as such.

I struggle to find a single correct thing about that last post.

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Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:47 pm

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see, here's the thing.
I'm slinging mud at both sides because both sides have legitimate scummy thing about them.
Ranger is slinging mud at both sides and not one, but BOTH CASES ARE COMPLETELY TERRIBLE
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Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:20 pm

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That was actually a pretty bad post >.< Before that I was going to put the EP/Ranger arguing as TvT.
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Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:24 pm

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In post 1836, Apricity wrote:That was actually a pretty bad post >.< Before that I was going to put the EP/Ranger arguing as TvT.


I'm town dudette.

Seriously. :igmeou:
Like, when I'm scum my ISO is essentially flawless but you'd look at me and just have niggling feelings that I'm scum because something's just not right.
I can't outplay gut.

Conversely, when I'm town my ISO can be screwed and often scummy as hell but you should have a gut feeling that I'm here trying to solve the game.
Which is it, Apri?
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Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:25 pm

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Apri, I'm going to ask you to trust me in a way that you're going to know that you rationally shouldn't but you should go ahead and do it anyway because I think you know in your heart that I'm town.

I want you to vote Ranger so I can confirm myself as town.

Please?
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Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:29 pm

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Like I can go through all my scum wins and you'll find the same pattern.

My play is objectively conftown but people having bad gut pings and they want to lynch me and they don't understand why.

RC, my gut is saying both you and ika are scum.


^Titus.
I can find other examples.
I think that right now you feel like all of us 'should' be town, but my ISO has holes and the NM thing and I've played like shit and because of that you believe that I'm the most likely to be scum.

Am I correct?
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Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:29 pm

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Why would me voting Ranger town confirm you?
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Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:30 pm

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Because I'm not going to hammer.
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Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:30 pm

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I don't deserve your trust but I'm going to ask for it anyway.
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Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:31 pm

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You are mostly correct though. I'm just having a really hard time believing town RC would have been wrong on so many reads. Beeboy, BBT, Dewy...I forget if you scumread 3dice or not.
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Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:33 pm

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I'm sorry.
I townread 3dice more than others at the end but not quite.
Truth is that my reads are severely handicapped when it comes to people who scumread me.
I get emotionally involved and my reads on them turn to shit and sadly Bulba and Soren/EP were sufficiently towny that I didn't get any other impulses to go on.
I'm sorry, I played like shit. I've played like shit before and I'll play like shit in the future. But I don't think we can win this unless you trust me.
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Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:33 pm

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RC, Ranger isn't at L-1.
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Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:34 pm

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That's the point. I want you to put her to L-1 so I can not hammer and then we can talk from the position of you knowing that I am town.
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Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:34 pm

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Oh nvm. I see EP's vote. I thought there weren't any votes.
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Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:37 pm

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Doing that doesn't conftown you though. You could be scum and just not hammer yet, then quickhammer whenever you felt like it. I also have no guarantee that you'll do as you say and not vote Ranger.
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Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:39 pm

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Believe or don't but I would feel like total shit for talking to you the way that I'm talking to you as scum. It wouldn't be worth it for me.
I want to be free to do my thing without you scumreading me for it. I think this is the only way we have a chance of winning.
Please. I'm town, I swear.

Doing that doesn't conftown you though. You could be scum and just not hammer yet, then quickhammer whenever you felt like it. I also have no guarantee that you'll do as you say and not vote Ranger.


You don't.
And if I could quickhammer I would as scum. I wouldn't prolong it to torment you.
The point is that I want you to prove me as town because it will change the playing field in a way that will allow me to be a thousand times more useful.
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