Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.4

Maestro (4) : SnarkySnowman , Jeanne11 , nnn_thekushmountains , a plain farmer
Killthestory (2) : KuroiXHF , Aristophanes
nnn_thekushmountains (1) : Wisdom
Wisdom (1) : Dierfire
a plain farmer (1) : Masquerade
Masquerade (1) : Maestro

Not Voting (3) : Jake from State Farm , Killthestory , Shiro

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-03-21 20:00:00)

Within Temptation : Faster

Spoiler: lyrics

I can't sleep because its burning deep inside
Like gasoline on a fire running wild
No more fear cause I'm getting closer now
So unreal but I like it anyhow
I go faster faster faster faster faster faster faster
I can't live in a fairytale of lies
And I can't hide from the feeling cause its right
And I go faster faster faster and faster for love
I can't live in a fairytale of lies
I can feel that you mesmerize my heart
I Feel so free I'm alive I'm breaking out
Won't give in, because I'm proud of all my scars
And I can see I've been wasting to much time
I go faster faster faster faster faster faster faster
I can't live in a fairytale of lies
And I can't hide from the feeling cause its right
And I go faster faster faster and faster for love
I can't live in a fairytale of lies
And I can't live in a fairytale of lies
And I can't hide from the feeling cause its right
And I go faster faster faster and faster for love
I can't live in a fairytale of lies
A fairytale of lies

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Masquerade

[nnn_thekushmountains]

UNVOTE:
jumping on maestro for that looks terrible to me.
VOTE: a plain farmer

It's terrible anti town play to claim vt, that I agree with. Especially since he seems to be serious about it. But it probably makes him town.

[Wisdom]

Why are there absolutely no problems with Jeanne also doing it?

[nnn_thekushmountains]

Why are there absolutely no problems with Jeanne also doing it?

jeanne's wasn't serious. saying "lol im vt" doesn't mean anything.

[Wisdom]

You think she was joking?

[KuroiXHF]

You think she was joking?

...Yep. That's why I find that idea to be bullshit. Saying "lol" after a vote doesn't indemnify it from scrutiny.

[Masquerade]

Killthestory: Ok then I'm going to assume you are scumreading Snarky and Wisdom. You believe they're both scum on Maestro's wagon?
You gave me the impression you are townreading Maestro because there is scum on his wagon. With your 74 you are explaining it differently, saying Maestro is town because his wagon happened too fast. How do you know there isn't all town on his wagon?

@Maestro: Claiming VT narrows down the PR-pool for scum. (And reading on I see this was discussed)

PEDIT:"Bad play =/= scummy play. Always remember that."

...That's fuckin' rude, bro. And based on an opinion, and therefore not necessarily objectively true. And a bit pretentious, Mr. 2014.

How is this rude? It's the truth actually. Townies can play bad and look scummy and are still not scum.

UNVOTE:
(Taking off RVS)

[Wisdom]

I don't see a "lol" in either of her posts.

[Wisdom]

Masquerade is scum, confirmed. This post was just repeating things.

[nnn_thekushmountains]

I don't see a "lol" in either of her posts.

no but my point was hers was a joke, his wasn't

[nnn_thekushmountains]

and he doubled down on it recently

[Wisdom]

What would you say if I told you Jeanne "jokingly" claimed vig in the same way while she was scum in the previous game I played with her?

[Masquerade]

Masquerade is scum, confirmed. This post was just repeating things.

Don't be an idiot. There were 2 new pages and I started reading and writing my post from page 3.

[nnn_thekushmountains]

What would you say if I told you Jeanne "jokingly" claimed vig in the same way while she was scum in the previous game I played with her?

id say it was nai of course.

[Masquerade]

Iirc Jeanne has a habit of (fake)claiming stuff as both alignments. I should maybe look into it but Jeanne is not really a priority for me rn.

[Wisdom]

Masquerade is scum, confirmed. This post was just repeating things.

Don't be an idiot. There were 2 new pages and I started reading and writing my post from page 3.

You have not said a single original thing.

[Masquerade]

I'm not interested in a 1v1 with you rn I have to go in a bit. I'll get back to you later.

[Shiro]

Damn this reached page 5 before I even realise it started.

[nnn_thekushmountains]

so we've all silently agreed to leave it at 5 so you can catch up shiro

[a plain farmer]

@ Maestro

Thanks. You've convinced me that your claim was not alignment indicative.

But the other component of my scumread on you was not a playstyle thing. The way those reasons, which were individually valid but unrelated, were injected in there together pings me as coming from a guilty mind.

It's just like if a highway patrolman were to pull over a guy who is speeding on his way to work. The guy's guilty mind might have him say something like: "I told my boss I'd come in early, and I wanted to get a good parking spot, and they might be waiting for me." All individually valid reasons, but together unrelated, and said in a burst like this in hopes that one would cause the officer to be lenient.

My point in saying "frustrated" and "rational" were dissonant was to make clear that these were indeed unrelated reasons (except for the fact that they were supposedly caused by the same thing, being frustrated and making a game move do not necessarily go hand in hand).

This is only a playstyle thing if you habitually make guilty-sounding statements while innocent. If that's the case, then we'll come to see that there's no scum motivation behind your actions and you'll be fine.

Your post was helpful, though, and I appreciate it.

How does neither seem alignment indicative yet claiming VT like that is? wtf.

If any of those votes were scummy, it's more likely to be the later votes than the earlier ones (due to the speed of the wagon). But I'm not inclined to think any of them were scummy atm.

In a case of aggression vs. opportunism, you think opportunism is more likely to be Scum, yes? That seems to be what this implies. Why?

Neither are inherently scummy, but I'd imagine opportunistic things are statistically disproportionately likely to be done by scum. Aggressive things, not so.


@ Kuroi

Could you explain your vote on Killthestory? I'm not getting it.

[Maestro]

Thanks. You've convinced me that your claim was not alignment indicative.

But the other component of my scumread on you was not a playstyle thing. The way those reasons, which were individually valid but unrelated, were injected in there together pings me as coming from a guilty mind.

It's just like if a highway patrolman were to pull over a guy who is speeding on his way to work. The guy's guilty mind might have him say something like: "I told my boss I'd come in early, and I wanted to get a good parking spot, and they might be waiting for me." All individually valid reasons, but together unrelated, and said in a burst like this in hopes that one would cause the officer to be lenient.

My point in saying "frustrated" and "rational" were dissonant was to make clear that these were indeed unrelated reasons (except for the fact that they were supposedly caused by the same thing, being frustrated and making a game move do not necessarily go hand in hand).

This is only a playstyle thing if you habitually make guilty-sounding statements while innocent. If that's the case, then we'll come to see that there's no scum motivation behind your actions and you'll be fine.

Your post was helpful, though, and I appreciate it.

Ew. Your tone is weird.

[Maestro]

I don't know I feel about that whole post yet, but it's not good.

[Shiro]

Iirc Jeanne has a habit of (fake)claiming stuff as both alignments. I should maybe look into it but Jeanne is not really a priority for me rn.

And what is your priority right now ? Because you also said you would anylise the wagon, which means you found it suspicious, but never really did.

Also I find it quite weird that you have been writing a post for 2 pages as you say. Like worse excuse for repeating stuff ever.

[KuroiXHF]

I'd actually never heard about symphonic metal before signing up. I like Nightwish.

Post #19 and #21 is scum aligned. Discuss.

Nah. Neither seem alignment indicative to me.


I don't like that Jeanne and Maestro "claimed" VT, even in a for-the-lulz kind of way. That strikes me as something scum would have a slightly higher chance of doing than town.

Within Temptation is pretty neat too. I believe they're probably the most "pop"ish of all the symphonic metal. Do you like Howard Jones from Killswitch Engage? Check out the song, "Dangerous." Like Xzibit? Listen to, "And we run."

I don't see a "lol" in either of her posts.

You're reading me too literally. I'm talking about jokes, not specifically "lulz."

@ Kuroi

Could you explain your vote on Killthestory? I'm not getting it.

Killthestory has found the actions found by some people scummy while others not scummy. When I asked him why, he said that some people aren't scummy if they do something scummy while "joking."